Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Molly-Mae Hague


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 16:47, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Molly-Mae Hague

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To put an end to the reversion wars happening on this page, I have started an AfD so editors can discuss why the page should be kept/deleted/redirected to Love Island (2015 TV series) instead of going back and forth undoing edits. I believe the page is not eligible for WP:G5 as I have added substantial content and citations to the page after its creation by a banned user.

Other editors have suggested it should be deleted as the subject has "no notability outside of show", however I believe her career as one of the UK's most successful social media influencers (with an ill fated giveaway widely reported on in the British press) and creative marketing director with PrettyLittleThing has given her significant notability outside of being a contestant on the show as well. pinktoebeans (talk) 08:47, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  pinktoebeans  (talk) 08:47, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  pinktoebeans  (talk) 08:47, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  pinktoebeans  (talk) 08:47, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect - outside of the fact that this character does not have enough real-world coverage to meet WP:GNG. The article could have been speedied, since it was created by a blocked user, in violation of their block. An admin, in lieu of deleting, restored the redirect.  Like UPE, banned editors should never be encouraged. Doing so weakens WP, and is a huge time-suck for actually valuable editors.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:21, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment! While I do agree the article probably should have been speedy deleted soon after creation, unfortunately I managed to get my grubby paws on it before an admin could delete it and add quite a bit of content :-) As someone who hopes to be classifed as an "actually valuable editor", I hope what I've added proves Hague's merit of inclusion on Wikipedia. I'd like to hear what you think about the sources I linked in the original AfD post, and whether they sufficiently show Hague is notable apart from Love Island as a businessperson and influencer (whose social media career was not started by Love Island, but rather boosted by it). pinktoebeans  (talk) 14:55, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , the sources seem to fall into one of 3 categories, a) puff PR pieces; b) interviews (which as primary sources, don't go to notability); c) pieces which focus on her involvement in the reality show. As such I see the sourcing as the type of which is the result of a damn good PR campaign. And my apologies, my intent was not to denigrate your editing contributions.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:26, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification about the sources, that was really helpful! And no offense taken :-) pinktoebeans  (talk) 17:27, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect - Restore to redirect to Love Island (2015 TV series). Lack of notability outside show. In addition to Onel's comments above, the claim of most successful social media influencers isn't borne out by the given source, which calls her the most successful Islander and says she earns more than any other reality TV star on Instagram (per click, but not overall). Those discrepancies aside, popularity on Instagram and sponsorship per click on that platform shows popularity, a totally different thing to notability. Being a company director isn't a claim of notability, and the "creative" element of it doesn't meet WP:NCREATIVE. --John B123 (talk) 16:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:23, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

BBC, Standard UK, Cosmopolitan, and several significant articles on The Independent and many coverages on the Google News, so passes WP:BASIC and WP:GNG and deserves to be kept, imv. Taung Tan (talk) 07:01, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources such as
 * Keep the BBC and Independent sources shared above establish notability and while Love Island is mentioned, there is enough here in my opinion to establish notability independently of Love Island. NemesisAT (talk) 09:49, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep plenty of coverage by mainstream news source. See Google News search for coverage of her. Easily passes WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. I successfully deleted other influencer Julius Dein (AfD) but this one is different. VocalIndia (talk) 10:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I see some non-trivial coverage which shows that she is notable celebrity and respected in her field. 117.18.230.34 (talk) 04:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources found by Taung Tan. Passes GNG.4meter4 (talk) 02:45, 10 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.