Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Momiji Dolls


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 11:01, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Momiji Dolls

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Non-notable product. I can find no substantial coverage in WP:RS, just product listings, shopping sites, etc. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC) http://elledeco.blogspot.com/2008/01/trendtjie-kokeshi-dolls.html
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  -- Jezhotwells (talk) 15:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, weakly. The Momiji brand is dedicated to making life lovelier &mdash; a worthy goal, it's ugly as sin around here.  But the reachable links Google news finds about this are mostly student newspapers mentioning the dolls in lists of inexpensive last minute gifts. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 18:24, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. These dolls are a big pop culture influence in Japan, and have some traction in the art/fashion world as well. I could probably find some better sources, but will these suffice to establish notability?:

http://thelinc.co.uk/2009/09/a-momiji-doll-for-your-linking/

http://www.londonkicks.com/go/art/A_Sweettooth_for_Momiji_dolls

http://www.tingshop.com/Momijipresentation.pdf (see page 10 for pics of articles from name-brand glossy magazines)

I think they are worthy of an article, but admit that the current article is terrible. I am for whittling it down to a stub and starting over. Tarastar42 (talk) 22:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)Tarastar42
 * 1) Link #1 is a blog, not a WP:RS.
 * 2) Link #2 is a student newspaper, not a WP:RS
 * 3) Link #3 appears to be a student orientated webzine.
 * 4) Link #4 is a shopping site
 * None of these are WP:RS, what we are looking for is substantial coverage in reliable sources. Jezhotwells (talk) 02:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Link #1 is the official blog of Elle Decor South Africa. It is written by professional journalists and under the editorial control of the parent publication.  WP:RS says "Blogs in this context refers to personal and group blogs. Some news outlets host interactive columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professional journalists or are professionals in the field on which they write and the blog is subject to the news outlet's full editorial control."
 * As for Link #2... where does WP:RS say that student newspapers can't be used? Is that somewhere else?  I am somewhat new... but I couldn't find that guideline.  Please let me know if I am missing something.
 * I won't argue with #3... probably doesn't meet RS standard.
 * The point of #4 is that Page 10 shows pictures of several articles from RS glossies that have covered Momiji Dolls, including Elle Decor, Elle Russia, Times Magazine, Real Living Australia, and Famous People Australia. If I had enough time I suppose I could track each publication down, but I thought it would be enough for now just to show that the coverage is out there.  Those kind of magazines don't usually publish their articles on line, so short of driving down to the library I don't know how I can get that info.
 * I will look for more RS links when I get a chance... but I really hope you choose to stub this rather than delete it. I am sure that if I could read Japanese I could come up with plenty of RS links.  I truly think the dolls are notable enough for inclusion... but they deserve a much better article than this.  Thank you! Tarastar42 (talk) 04:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)Tarastar42
 * http://www.klue.com.my/articles/2245-Momiji-super-kawaii-Japanese-dolls Tarastar42 (talk) 05:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)Tarastar42
 * http://thestar.com.my/education/story.asp?sec=education&file=/2009/11/1/education/4870180 - from the online version of The Star, Malaysia's leading English language newspaper. —Preceding Tarastar42 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 26 September 2010
 * http://www.mysinchew.com/node/25203?tid=14 - Sin Chew is a Chinese language newspaper in Malaysia Tarastar42 (talk) 04:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.dontpaniconline.com/magazine/arts/momiji-design-exhibition ] Tarastar42 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The Momiji dolls page is my first attempt at writing an article for Wikipedia, I'm sorry it's not great, I really think that Momiji dolls deserve an inclusion, so feel free to cut it down if you like. I've added a few more external links to the bottom, is there anything else I can do to make it better? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KatPage (talk • contribs) 12:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sin Chew Jit Poh and The Star are reliable sources. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment Since I am already on record as a Keep, I just want to point out that I have whittled the article down to a stub, added a picture, added some categories, and found a new RS from an actual book.  I also have tagged the article for rescue.  I want to thank KatPage for her contribution... I didn't mean to call it 'terrible'!  That wasn't very nice of me... it is just that the article was mostly lists of collections and products - fine for a shopping catalog, but not as appropriate for an encyclopedia.  I hope you will keep editing and adding knowledge to this site. Thank you! Tarastar42 (talk) 08:38, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Tarastar42 (talk) 08:38, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I nominated the image used for deletion at Commons as it appears to fail the copyright policies there. Another editor has offered to move it back to Wikipedia and write up a fair use rationale. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops! Thanks... I didn't know that rule.  I got the pic from Flickr and it had the right license... but I see it is more complicated than that. Didn't.mean to introduce copyvio!  Big thanks to Hydroxonium for the fair use fix! Tarastar42 (talk) 16:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ The new image is at File:Momiji-doll.jpg. If everybody is OK with this, the previous image (File:Momiji.jpg) can be spedied over at Commons. -   Hydroxonium (talk) 05:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Click the Google news search at the top of the AFD. The summaries that appear are enough to indicated notability.  Most require payment to read the entire articles though.  One of them which didn't, is The Star which has an article published about them. .   D r e a m Focus  18:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.