Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mona Al Sabban


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete with the caveat that this concerns this article, and not necessarily the subject. One section looks like a CV resume while another section is written in first person. As such, the article, even with the improvements that removed unsourced material, there is a clear policy violation of WP:NOT (in particular WP:PROMOTION) that mandates deletion at this point.

A recreation on the same subject that addresses those concerns is not prohibited and so will not trigger the WP:G4 speedy deletion criterion. Sjakkalle (Check!)  16:24, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Mona Al Sabban

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Advertising for her cinema school.  DGG ( talk ) 06:59, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:37, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:37, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:37, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete: Eligible for speedy deletion per criteria G11. Seemplez 07:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete there’s also some COI here. From the text “..after the conference, I submitted the project…”. Mccapra (talk) 08:18, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Okay, the article's a mess, but please note it's a pretty much word for word translation from the Arabic. She won the Egyptian State Award for Excellence in the Arts (see a squillion media mentions here - you'll need Google translate) - a major award - and is notable in Arabic media before that, with many, many pieces published about her and which reference her or which quote her. She's notable in Egypt/the Arab world. This needs cleanup, not deletion. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:08, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * promotionalism beyond the point where it is easily fixable is a perfectly good reason to delete an article, regardless of notability . Actually, it's an even better reason--NOTADVERTISING is policy, and WP:N only a guideline with variable interpretation. I hesitated in nominating ths because I too think she might posibly be notable, but I know this is totally beyond my ability to fix, or (because of the language of the sources) to rewrite,   If anyone, such as  thinks they can write a decent article, they should do so. But what this needs is WP:TNT   DGG ( talk ) 01:43, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed large unsourced sections. Also they were about school and ideas, not about the person. With what's there now, it is still poorly written, but at least the bad parts are removed.Peter303x (talk) 00:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep and improve it. Keep based on Egyptian State Award for Excellence in the Arts. I removed large unsourced sections. Also they were about school and ideas, not about the person.Peter303x (talk) 00:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 20:10, 19 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Tom Morris (talk) 10:21, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Delete- I agree that TNT is what's needed here. Currently it's irretrievably promotional, and the sources do not give me confidence that this can be fixed except possibly by paving over it and starting from scratch. Reyk YO! 09:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)