Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monametsi Kelebale


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The result was   delete. The Bushranger One ping only 19:55, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Monametsi Kelebale

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. Contest rationale was here he is playing in the Africa Cup of Nations, which is at least a little more notable than the "fully professional" League Two, wouldn't you agree? However, I do not agree. Notability is not a measure of quality or importance, but of coverage, of which Mr. Kelebe has had almost none. Sir Sputnik (talk) 13:32, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


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 * Delete No proof he even played a game in the tournament, not notable Seasider91 (talk) 16:36, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 13:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - previous consensus at two AfDs - 1, 2 - established that being a squad member at the ACN was not enough. This player fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL - non-notable. GiantSnowman 13:37, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete – has he actually played in the African Cup of Nations or done anything else besides sitting on the bench? No, so he fails WP:NFOOTY. Add the non-existent significant coverage in independent reliable sources and he fails WP:GNG as well. – Kosm  1  fent  13:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - I could only find two paragraphs dedicated to Kelebale here, so I don't think the article can pass the GNG. Jogurney (talk) 14:19, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I may have spoken too soon. The Monitor has quite a few in-depth articles on Kelebale, and this one suggests he had played for the national team before being injured in 2007, although I've been unable to confirm that he played in a FIFA "A" international. Jogurney (talk) 14:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Has nobody actually looked at the reference that I added when contesting WP:PROD deletion? It is published by FIFA, and clearly says that Kelebale did play in the African Cup of Nations. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:38, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But Phil Koms1fents link says otherwise, it just says he sat on the bench all game which doesn't count towards notability i'm afraidSeasider91 (talk) 16:42, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Which is the more reliable source, FIFA or Soccerway? And the FIFA source comes with photographic evidence. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:01, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * FIFA, the most reliable source in the history of ever (according to you), has also reported that Olympiacos has won 13 more league championships than Panathinaikos, while (guess what) it's really 19. Don't insist on supporting a source when there are others that contradict the first. Cheers. – Kosm  1  fent  17:11, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The caption on the photo is wrong. The Botswanan player in the photo is wearing shirt #13, meaning he is actually Mafoko Boitumelo. The CAF's official match report (found here) confirms that Mr. Boitumelo played in the match against Mali, while Mr. Kelebale, shirt #15, did not. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Good observation, Sir Sputnik. Confirmed by Soccerway as well. – Kosm  1  fent  04:58, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
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