Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Money (Michael Jackson song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I. Shimeru (talk) 21:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Money (Michael Jackson song)

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Non-notable, non-charting Michael Jackson that fails WP:NMUSIC and that continues to be un-redirected by a highly disruptive editor. I'm bringing it here for a wider audience. I suggest redirection and protection to stop recreation of this article on a non-notable track.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 03:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep rated as mid-importance on wikiproject Michael Jackson's importance scale.216.36.87.196 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:43, 9 May 2010 (UTC).
 * So? Wikiproject importance ratings mean nothing. I can change it to top, if I wanted. It means jack. Please give proper reasons.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 15:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete. The song is not notable enough to have its own article. Crystal Clear x3 03:52, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

*Keep it is notable because it appeared on two albums. HIStory and Blood on the Dance Floor.166.137.143.239 (talk) 20:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC) Sockpuppet of User:OttomanJackson, who has !voted below. Black Kite (t) (c) 21:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That does not make it notable. See WP:NSONGS.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 20:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Am I the only one who finds it odd that this IP user just comes from out of the blue to make there first ever edits on Wikipedia on a AfD? I think that someone should make sure that this user is not a sock puppet trying to stack votes. Crystal Clear x3 21:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It is likely OttomanJackson; see here.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 21:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - Would rather just see a redirect and page protection if necessary. I brought this user to WP:AN/I just a few days ago here, so another report so soon would likely earn him a short block. Tarc (talk) 13:00, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think creating another ANI is needed for this user. They just don't seem to get the message.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 13:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done; see here.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 19:43, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

But I found a source for it and User:Silver seren formatted it OttomanJackson (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC).
 * And? It is established that the song exists, but the track is not notable and fails WP:NSONGS. You've been told time and time again to stop creating/un-redirecting these Michael Jackson song articles, as all of his notable works already have articles and the lesser known ones should remain redirected to the relevant album article.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 18:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I. If OttomanJackson continues to edit with disregard to established policy, then a block is necessary.  caknuck °  needs to be running more often  19:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * (ec) Restore the original Redirect to HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I. The coverage in the source in the article is not significant. More interesting references in reliable sources can be found here and here, but still, it does not add up to much, and the speculative snippet of information is covered already in our article HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I. --Lambiam 19:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I added more sources. KEEP PLEASE> OttomanJackson (talk) 20:15, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Album reviews for a song do not make it notable. Crystal Clear x3 20:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

*Keep I love this song. Notable due to contreversy and background story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.54.202 (talk) 21:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The sources in the article seem fine. Its hard to search through Google news for the word "Money" and find just the song, when his name and money appear over 13 thousand times.  I found it briefly mentioned in the New York times  along with other songs, it just mentioning him whispering certain lyrics though.  Surely a song related to a controversy like this has more coverage out there.   D r e a m Focus  21:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * More ARS dribble. Casual, one-line mentions do not establish notability for a song. Tarc (talk) 21:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you doubt there are sources mixed in with the countless thousands of results, or hidden behind paywalls? Most of the results from this search can not be accessed freely. If anyone has a subscription, please look through them.   D r e a m Focus  21:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Indenting !vote; IP is clearly OttomanJackson. See here.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 21:54, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't indent votes. That doesn't make any sense.  And it is not clear.  That IP has been editing since January and made dozens of edits.  If you believe you have a case against someone, take it to the proper place, and they'd do a check on it.   D r e a m Focus  21:58, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Come off it. It doesn't take an idiot to see that they are one and the same person. OJ replaces the IP's signature seconds after the IP leaves a note on a user talk page. Such blatant evidence doesn't require Checkuser. Reported to ANI, anyway.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 22:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. I didn't look through any of his edits before.  Looking that case, it is quite obvious.    D r e a m Focus  22:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strikethrough.  caknuck °  needs to be running more often  22:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

*Keep – I think it had a music video66.158.68.102 (talk) 18:11, 11 May 2010 (UTC) Another one from the same OttomanJackson stable as 24.15.54.202 - contribs make it clear. Black Kite (t) (c) 18:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge Into HIStory's background section. Tb hotch Ta lk C.  00:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect: relevant to the HisTory album and the context around making it....Arskwad (talk) 18:30, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete just see WP:NSONGS STAT- Verse 01:47, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Can someone stop this Ottoman Jackson guy? He's a real nuisance isn't he? Str8cash (talk) 20:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Too big an IP range(s) for a rangeblock. If there's another one I'll semi-protect the AfD. Black Kite (t) (c) 21:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect back to HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I. References or not, there's not enough information or notability for this song to stand on its own as an article. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 19:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.