Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monica Reeves


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The result was keep, appears to just breach the notability requirements. John Reaves (talk) 17:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Monica Reeves

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non-notable individual Mathew5000 21:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

The article states she has (1) "played in poker tournaments all over the world", (2) placed 8th in one minor tournament, placed 114th in one major tournament, and tied for first in one very small tournament, (3) "competed in the World Series of Poker" (as have tens of thousands of other people), and (4) appeared on TV in the Ultimate Blackjack Tour. None of this meets the criteria of WP:BIO. --Mathew5000 21:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete I don't know much about pro poker, but going by the article and its lack of reliable sources I'd say delete per WP:BIO. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  21:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Nowhere close to notable in terms of poker accomplishments. The only possible argument for notability is her blackjack status.  She was one of the invited "professionals" on the Ultimate Blackjack Tour which aired on CBS.  But, referring to WP:BIO and the 'Athletes' criteria (probably the most applicable here), Ultimate Blackjack Tour is definitely not equivalent to any major sports league, nor in my opinion does it constitute playing on 'the highest level' of the sport.  Despite the significant money at stake, it seems to be more a made-for-TV event than any kind of serious elite competition.  For example, many famous poker players with no blackjack credentials at all were invited to play.  Cases like this have very little precedent though, so it's hard to know where to draw the line.  --SubSeven 23:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - She should be kept based on her blackjack accomplishments. She was featured on the cover of the January 2007 edition of All In magazine and also appeared on the Ultimate Blackjack Tour.
 * Delete. I would think she needs more than just "blackjack accomplishments" for inclusion in Wikipedia, per WP:BIO. Sr13 (T|C) 01:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - but rewrite. The poker accomplishments are basically non-existent.  They should be covered in a single more encyclopedic sentence -- clearly the fact that she entered the World Series of Poker is not encyclopedic or meriting an article.  The blackjack TV appearences and cover of a magazine though would seem meet minimal criteria though. 2005 02:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: in assessing notability, we should be careful not to be biased in favour of recency. There have been lots of models in the last sixty years who have had one magazine cover and one television show appearance. It wouldn't merit inclusion in an encyclopedia if those appearances had been in 1973 and the same accomplishments in 2007 are no different. --Mathew5000 07:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: She's not just a model; she's a blackjack player who won a major event, and she had a feature article as well as appearing on the cover of the magazine. (I should have been clearer when I pointed out her mention in All In earlier.) Rray 14:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep based on All In magazine cover story and UBT appearance. Otto4711 17:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


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