Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monitoring and Measurement in the Next Generation Technologies


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. BJ Talk 10:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Monitoring and Measurement in the Next Generation Technologies

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This page is full of marketing speak and advertising. It would need a complete rewrite to become encyclopedic. I nominated it for WP:CSD speedy deletion, but Stifle declined it because the article has been around for a while. I recommend deletion because it's an unsalvageable mess. Mgm|(talk) 12:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as blatant spam and patent nonsense: ... a project aimed at integrating different platforms for network monitoring and measurement to develop a common and open pan-European infrastructure. The system will include both passive and active monitoring and measurement techniques via a common web services interface and ontology that allows semantic queries. I find it amusing that the authors claim that whatever it is they're selling here contains an ontology, but obviously whoever wrote that was desperately trying to sound impressive without saying anything specific. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, in the context of web services, an ontology is something very specific and useful. JulesH (talk) 16:16, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Since Stifle declined the speedy, it won't fly anyway. - Mgm|(talk) 22:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not nonsense either. With a dictionary at your side you can decipher what it means. Patent nonsense has a specific meaning. - Mgm|(talk) 22:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Patent nonsense includes "content that, while apparently meaningful after a fashion, is so completely and irredeemably confused that no reasonable person can be expected to make any sense of it whatsoever." Buzzword bingo counts. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 11:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep There is a distinction between patent nonsense, and mere bad writing. The manner of writing this is not really appropriate for a Wikipedia  article, but that is fixable. It needs shorter paragraphs,and removal of sentences and parts of sentences that provide rhetoric without advancing the argument or providing actual information. There is overuse of jargon, but it's reasonably standard jargon and I think used correctly. DGG (talk) 16:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose the other question is whether this subject, whatever it is, merits an article. About all I was able to get out of it was that it was a "project" that has something to do with measuring Internet traffic or creating standards for measuring Internet traffic.  This may or may not be a worthy article subject: much would depend on who is in charge of the project, and I must admit that I wearied of its meaningless gee-whiz prose (Future generation networks are heterogeneous as never before) well before I found the part that might tell me.  The references supplied, again, seem to be about the problems allegedly addressed by this project rather than the project and its backers themselves.  I find it interesting also that what appears to be the official site of this project, whatever it is, links directly to its Wikipedia article, and the rest of the site is rather sketchy.  This suggests to me that they're using Wikipedia as a free web host. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 20:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. This subject may or may not deserve an article, but I am quite certain that no article is better than this article. Stifle (talk) 10:52, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.