Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monopoly (1993 video game)


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The result was Userfy. to User:Manifestation/Monopoly (1993 video game) J04n(talk page) 13:54, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Monopoly (1993 video game)

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I'm not sure if this particular adaption meets WP:GNG - the main cite seems to be to the developer's own webpage. I removed one link to an ebay shop selling the game, and one of the other cites is a user-generated resource. I wasn't able to find anything additonal to support WP:GNG and notability is WP:NOTINHERITED Seraphim System  ( talk ) 06:45, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  Seraphim System  ( talk ) 09:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  Seraphim System  ( talk ) 09:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)


 * This should probably be merged back into Monopoly video games with any RS-sourced content. --Izno (talk) 13:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * What do you mean with "merged back"? I wrote this from scratch. It wasn't split off from anything, and you can't merge it with anything, as far as I can see. - Manifestation (talk) 19:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the specific language used re "back"--my opinion is clearly that this content cannot or should not stand alone as a separate article, and that's predominantly because you don't have reliable sources (included in the article). There are two fan sites (one of which is a wiki), one "image", and one review website's game listing page. This indicates to start that the video game isn't notable. It might reasonably have existed, but we don't cover topics in separate articles simply because they existed--we cover them when there exists sustained, independent, multiple, reliable sources covering the topic in depth. --Izno (talk) 00:27, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge per above comment. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 13:51, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Seriously, ? Is this your cup of tea? Disfiguring someone's work? Of course there is little to write about here. I was actually surprised to find any info about this game at all. This is an old, obscure title, and a small but important detail in video game industry, as it involved three people of historical significance: Shigesato Itoi (Ape, Mother/EarthBound series), Tsunekazu Ishihara (president of Pokémon Company) and Koichi Sugiyama (composer of Dragon Quest among others). This was an early game by Ape, a company which would later morph into Creatures, one of the owners of Pokémon. This is an interesting historical footnote. Certainly worth a notice. Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 19:40, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Do not take it personally. Your contributions are important. However, we have some guidelines and policies about what kind of content we provide. Indeed, when you call it an interesting historical footnote, that's the kind of coverage we would expect based on what I am seeing from the provided sources so far, since none of them are a reliable source--a footnote, or a sentence, not an entire article. (Maybe you know of a few reliable sources--please provide them if so.) It's tough writing about topics pre-Internet because much of the reliable sourcing is available only in hard copy, if it even exists at all. It becomes doubly-hard to write when the original work was published exclusively outside of English regions. --Izno (talk) 00:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Could be something here (finding sources in Japanese is really tricky): --Coin945 (talk) 23:55, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * http://www.omorita.com/monopoly/ This is from the Japanese version of the article
 * http://yuyusangai.com/kanrinin/monopoly.html
 * http://techc.omorita.com/gameai/topics/monopoly/
 * https://blog.goo.ne.jp/partygame/e/fc0202e8cb2fa14070af600365ba82e4
 * http://www.super-famicom.jp/data/mo/mo_0004.html
 * http://mpb.hatenablog.com/entry/2012/08/17/211028
 * http://bizacademy.nikkei.co.jp/culture/keyword/article.aspx?id=MMACzf002004122012
 * https://middle-edge.jp/articles/reo6H
 * These look like fan pages, blogs, and games listing pages. One or another might reasonably be an RS, but it's going to take more than "oh, here's a list of some random links" to prove this topic is notable. --Izno (talk) 00:27, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * And just looking at them, I'd say none are an RS. --Izno (talk) 00:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I also found those pages, none were usable except for the first one. The last one, from middle-edge.jp, is new for me, though. That one looks pretty interesting, even though it's about the second game, not the first. It turns out that Ape also published a complete guide book about The Monopoly Game 2. I didn't knew that. Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 11:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I got a 401 on the third source. - Manifestation (talk) 11:22, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It's worth pointing out that this game had a sequel entitled The Monopoly Game 2. Perhaps they have collective notability and could be merged?--Coin945 (talk) 02:41, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree with Izno's comments above. Monopoly Game 2 seems to have received a review in Famicom Tsūshin. I think merging reliably sourced content into one article would be better. The developer should be fine for WP:RS to expand the article, but not as an independent source for notability purposes. Seraphim System ( talk ) 05:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, The Monopoly Game 2 is the initial reason why I created this article. When I saw it, I thought: "If there's a Monopoly Game 2, is there also a Monopoly Game 1?" It turned out there was, so for completionist reasons, I created a stub about it. Another reason was to prevent confusion with the other Monopoly game which was released two years earlier and which is unrelated. - Manifestation (talk) 10:54, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * So because Monopoly Game 2 was reviewed by Famicom Tsūshin (now Famitsu), the article is allowed to stay, yet the article about the first game is not? Even though Monopoly Game 2 contains almost no content? It's very well possible that the first game was also reviewed by Famicom Tsūshin, and possibly other Japanese magazines as well. But I have no idea how to find that out. - Manifestation (talk) 10:54, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Generally, more would be needed for WP:GNG but I think the community may be willing to be a bit flexible about topics for which it is likely that more WP:RS exist that may not be available online. I don't know what the consensus would be if Monopoly Game 2 were nominated for deletion, but at least it has one WP:RS to support notability. I don't see any for this one. The other consideration is that neither of these articles are likely to be expanded beyond stubs, unless additional sources can be found. It will not overburden either article to merge, and I don't see any benefit to splitting. Seraphim System ( talk ) 11:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * So... should Monopoly be merged with Monopoly Game 2, or should Monopoly Game 2 be merged with Monopoly? Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 11:24, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * We merge into the more-notable topic generally, which is clearly the second Japan-only game. That said, I think the second game probably could also stand to be merged into Monopoly video games as a one or two liner--maybe a full section with a review in hand--given that it has a similar lack of reliable sourcing at this time. --Izno (talk) 14:08, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, no one else seems to care about this, so it's up to the closing admin to decide what to do. In case he or she decides to delete this article, I have slightly tweaked the intro of the sequel, The Monopoly Game 2, in preparation of the deletion. Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 19:11, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - sorry - I opened every ref in the article and those above, I translated them and I can't see any RS, google is showing no better, the article could be draftified and worked on or merged. Szzuk (talk) 17:53, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If this article is moved to the Draft namespace, that would be appreciated. It could also be userfied / put in my userspace? Maybe User:Manifestation/Monopoly (1993 video game)? The cover art would be deleted, I assume. Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 20:43, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You can copy and paste the information to that article space now, you do not need permission. Szzuk (talk) 20:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Userfy per author's request. This is an old video game and some old sources could be checked at WP:VGRS. w umbolo   ^^^  21:46, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


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