Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monopoly Millionaires' Club (American game show)


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The result was keep. Consensus appears clear that the sourcing identified and put forward is enough to meet notability. Star  Mississippi  03:18, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Monopoly Millionaires' Club (American game show)

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Found nothing but press releases and "local man to appear on MMC" human interest stories. Could be merged with the article on the lottery game, but it's mostly just a plot summary of how the game is played and there's little verifiable info otherwise Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:04, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:04, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable game show which lasted only two seasons.TH1980 (talk) 03:57, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "It sounds like a Swiss Army knife version of a TV game show: a combination of a venerable board game, state lotteries, Las Vegas and seasoned comedian Billy Gardell as host. The result is Monopoly Millionaires’ Club, a syndicated series that draws on the board game’s “iconography” – Get Out of Jail and Pass Go cards and such – while morphing it into something new and telegenic."   The article notes: "The syndicated, weekly, one-hour “Monopoly Millionaires’ Club” debuts at 7 p.m. Saturday in Pittsburgh on WTAE with an encore of those weekly episodes airing Tuesday at 8 p.m. on cable’s GSN. Based on the Hasbro board game, a multistate lottery, Monopoly-themed scratch ticket is available in more than a dozen states, including Pennsylvania. The TV game show is taped at the Rio All-Suite Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas inside a 48,000-square-foot structure. The studio’s LED floor displays the iconic Monopoly board, and the audience, split into sections based on Monopoly tokens (boot, wheelbarrow, top hat, etc.), is made up of almost 400 lottery winners and their guests from around the country. (Unlike the tapings of most TV game shows, this is not one the general public can attend as an audience member; it’s restricted to lottery winners.)"   The article notes: "“Monopoly Millionaires’ Club,” the extremely flashy Las Vegas-set continuation of the multistate lottery game that ran last year, premieres this weekend. And while there are some hurdles that might keep it from passing “go” right away — the show is syndicated instead of dedicated to one network because some states don’t have a lottery system, and the lottery ticket game that prospective contestants entered to earn a place on the show was deemed too complicated and was suspended at the end of last year and brought back as an instant-win scratcher ticket game this month — there is one person who is ready to bet big on the project: “Mike and Molly” star Billy Gardell, who serves as host of the show."   The article notes: "Gardell begins his run this Sunday (7 p.m./Ch. 11) as the host of “Monopoly Millionaires’ Club,” taped at a 50,000-foot sound stage outside the Rio Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. It will also air Tuesdays (8 p.m.) on Game Show Network. ... As its name implies, “Monopoly Millionaires’ Club” — produced by Scientific Games Productions and Hasbro Studios — is based on the iconic board game and is connected to the Monopoly Millionaire Instant Ticket multi-state lottery. Randomly chosen contestants (400 of them) were flown out for a five-day stay in Vegas for the chance to compete on the show."   The article notes: "Of course, you can watch the show for some classic game-show appeal. Similar to “The Price is Right,” contestants get to play one of a series of games, here inspired by spots from Monopoly. So, for example, Ride the Rails is inspired by the four railroads. One of the unique attributes of this game show is that it’s not just the contestants who are in line to bring home the big bucks. The audience members, all winners of the contest on the back of the lottery ticket game, are seated in one of five sections (named after one of the iconic game pieces). The show’s contestants are selected from each of those sections, and whatever they win is split with that section. So if a contestant wins $100,000, the contestant gets half and the other half is split amongst the people in the contestant’s section."   The article notes: "Comedian Billy Gardell is so grateful about hitting the show-business jackpot as star of CBS' "Mike & Molly" that he's perfect casting to host TV's "Monopoly Millionaires' Club." ... The nationally syndicated game show debuts at 11:35 p.m. Saturday on WKMG-Channel 6. GSN will present episodes at 8 p.m. Tuesdays. The show is based on the Hasbro brand and features games (Electric Company, Community Chest) based on the Monopoly board." </li> <li> The article notes: ""Mike & Molly" star Billy Gardell will host a syndicated game show called "Monopoly Millionaires' Club," based on the Monopoly brand, Scientific Games Corp. announced Wednesday." </li> <li> The article notes: "Scientific Games’ weekly game show, Monopoly Millionaires’ Club, will end its run after this season, confirms a spokesman for the program. The show’s last weekend on the air will be April 30 - May 1." </li> <li> The article notes: "Here, EW has an exclusive first look at the show’s intricate set, which took four weeks to build and features one of the largest LED floors ever on TV. The set LED lighting requires more than 8,500 channels of control and consists of more than 473,976 individual LEDs on more than half a mile of tape." </li> <li> The article notes: "It also doesn't hurt that the set for "Monopoly Millionaires Club" is bright, colorful, and downright gargantuan, so when there's not something happening on the stage, you can't help but get caught up in looking at your surroundings. Alas, there was no million-dollar winner at any point during the taping I attended, but I did see several folks walk away with substantial wads of cash, which was cool. " </li> <li> The article notes: "Monopoly Millionaires Club will be produced in front of a live studio audience in Las Vegas. Contestants, selected from the studio audience, will be vying for more than $2.5 million in prize money on each episode." </li> <li> The article note: "The new show, which coincides with the 80th anniversary of the Monopoly board game, was taped at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas. Twelve episodes were filmed in January, with a total of 21 planned for the first season. ... The show is produced in conjunction with several states' lotteries. The audience is made up of lottery winners who won their chance to participate." </li> <li> The article notes: "Starting in February, a television show of the same name will air in syndication and on the Game Show Network. Contestants will be selected exclusively from lottery players who register their tickets online, the lottery said." </li> <li> The article notes: "It’s a new take on the iconic game of Monopoly. Actor and Comedian Billy Gardell is the host of the all new Monopoly Millionaires’ Club. The game show airs Saturday at 11:30 p.m. on WATE 6 On Your Side and there is some serious cash to be won. The show has taped 12 episodes so far and produced a pair of $1 million winners and other contestants who have claimed prizes in the $200,000 neighborhood." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Monopoly Millionaires’ Club to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 09:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Keep per Cunard's sourcing. Jclemens (talk) 03:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I disagree that any of those sources are signfiicant coverage. Most of them are about the lottery game itself and only mention the show in passing, or reprints of PR pieces saying Billy Gardell will host. Sources 1-7 give literally no info about the show other than the host. That's hardly significant coverage. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 14:38, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep It's been a while since I've edited this regularly, but are the notability standards really that high now? A game show with a million-dollar prize based on one of the most popular board games of all time, with a notable host, airing for more than one season in syndication nationally *and* on GSN is at AFD? We're not talking about an unsourced list of episodes or a WP:TRIVIA list of the show's biggest winners here. Just an article covering the show's existence. Sourcing is definitely lacking as it stands, but that's not to say coverage doesn't exist anywhere, as Cunard has demonstrated. Call me an old-fashioned inclusionist if you wish I guess, but I think there's more than enough here to at the bare minimum warrant an article. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 15:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As I pointed out, the first seven sources Cunard picked up confirm literally nothing but the show's host. They're just rehashes of the same PR blurb. Sources 10-14 also mention the show only in passing. Literally the only info gleaned from FOURTEEN sources is "this show existed and was hosted by Billy Gardell". Nothing on the format or how long it lasted whatsoever. HOW IS THAT SIGNIFICANT COVERAGE?!?! Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * First of all, no need to yell. I respect your opinion and am just making a counter-argument in favor of the other side. Let's keep this WP:CIVIL here.
 * Second, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "only in passing." With all due respect, I'm picking up a lot more than "this show existed and was hosted by Billy Gardell" from all of these put together. For example. source 10 includes an entire transcript of an interview with Gardell in a piece that also, among other things, details highlights from a typical taping day and notes that the origins of the game format were based on the lottery game. Source 11 mentions other aspects of Gardell's career, but does seem to be primarily focused on the show, even noting that there were two million-dollar winners during a taping session (hardly an insignificant occurrence in the game show world). It also includes a quote from the producer on why Gardell was selected as the host.
 * Third, I also don't understand the argument "sources 1-7 give literally no info about the show other than the host." Source 3 gives production information on why the show is syndicated rather than tied to one network. Source 2 describes how the show's set resembles the board game's iconic layout. Source 4 explains how contestants were cast.
 * I could go on. Expand the article with these sources, and I believe you'll have at the very least a decent piece here. Heck, I'll help do it myself if needed if you give me a couple of days. I welcome the conversation, but let's not completely disregard the references Cunard provided here. There's objectively more provided in them than just the show's existence and who hosted it. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 16:52, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Interviews are WP:PRIMARY sources and do not count toward notability. And there's still very little here. I'm curious to see how you can make something from nothing here. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with 's analysis of the sources. In my quotes from the articles, I showed that there was substantial coverage in reliable sources about the show in which the coverage was not based on primary sources or interviews. Cunard (talk) 10:13, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


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