Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Montclair plaza


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Speedy Keep, as it was an uncontested de-prod. MKoltnow 07:08, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Montclair plaza

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I deproded the page. The reason given was that the mall was not notable. I did a quick google, and there appears to be enough to establish notability, however the article needs work and 3rd party sources. Userfication/incubation might not be a bad idea here.Gosox5555 (talk) 02:19, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - If userfying is being considered, I submit that it might be better to move this article to WP:INCUBATOR, a new project that is essentially the same as the userfy option, except it's in a central area, in the project namespace. The advantages of incubation over userfication are that more eyes will see the article, and that it won't sit there indefinitely out of sight if no improvement occurs. I should clarify that we are only interested in articles that are otherwise certain to be deleted or userfied. We're not really interested in taking on articles that have a chance of being improved in the mainspace. Thanks for your consideration. Gosox5555 (talk) 02:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: - It's almost a speedy as it stands, but I can vouch for the place and its notability. I think it's worth expanding.  In fact, I have to head that way early next month and I can get some pictures.  --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:40, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. It was straightforward to find a local newspaper article with a 40 year history of the place; it needs to be WP:BETTER, not demolished.  Edward Vielmetti (talk) 03:45, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. -- MisterWiki  talk   contribs  04:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. It should be trivial to find any number of newspaper articles on it over the years, probably numbering in the 100s by now from at least 3 different major regional newspapers, including the LA Times.  There is at least one coffee-table book on the history of the mall available.  There were a number of articles on its rather famous original freeway sign (since removed) and the alternate they would put up at Christmas. There are flyers on the mall history available in the Montclair City offices.  That said, the article as it stands definitely needs considerable expansion. Loren.wilton (talk) 05:13, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I do not see any provision in Wikipedia's guidelines or policies for deleting articles about malls which are agreed to be notable. Per it is quite a large mall with over 1.2 million square feet of gross leasable area. Any mall with over 800,000 sq ft of GLA is classified as a "super-regional mall." See also the former (rejected) notability proposal Notability (shopping centers). Edison (talk) 06:32, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.