Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Montgomery Upper Middle School (3rd nomination)


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The result was redirect to Montgomery Township School District. As noted, we don’t usually merge unsourced material so that leaves a redirect Spartaz Humbug! 03:37, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Montgomery Upper Middle School
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Fails WP:ORG and WP:GNG. Has been previously nominated for deletion (and I think its time to revisit). The first time the result was no consensus and the second time keep. The Keep arguments were mostly based on the fact that it is a Blue Ribbon School. There are over 8,500 Blue Ribbon Schools nationwide (and some states don't even participate in the program), so I don't see how the award automatically establishes notability. Also, the articles contains virtually no sources (WP:OR). The few sources that do exist are not even about the school, but about the Blue Ribbon Award program. A search does not reveal any other claims to notability outside of the Blue Ribbon award. Rusf10 (talk) 23:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge / Redirect to Montgomery Township School District per longstanding consensus on non-notable middle schools. Per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, "Most elementary (primary) and middle schools that don't source a clear claim to notability usually get merged or redirected in AfD. Schools that don't meet the standard typically get merged or redirected to the school district authority that operates them (generally North America) or the lowest level locality (elsewhere or where there is no governing body) rather than being completely removed from the encyclopedia. 'Redirect' as an alternative to deletion is anchored in policy." A check of Category:Public middle schools in New Jersey shows that this method was used for several other middle schools in the state. It's unclear why this was not considered as an option by the nominator. Alansohn (talk) 23:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey Alan, how about I didn't consider that because you opposed a redirect in the previous discussion. In fact, it seems the the reason for the last AFD because you refused to let another editor redirect this. Also interesting that you are quoting schooloutcomes when you completely dismissed it in the last discussion, you said "Wikipedia:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is an essay. That's it and nothing more.". I know you like to take shots at me, but try to be consistent.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:36, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It's unclear that you understand either consensus or that consensus can change; I'm not sure what's gained by being arbitrarily consistent, any more than is gained through knee-jerk deletionism. As to "refused", the previous AfD you mention was in the wake of a mass change of the sort that disruptive editors like to impose on the community without prior discussion. Sadly, this pattern sounds way too familiar, even today. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is a mere essay -- not unlike WP:LISTCRUFT -- that shouldn't be used as an argument for deletion, but rather as a guide of what has been done in the past that minimized disruption. WP:BEFORE is policy, but one that you have apparently never bothered to follow.If you think that we're operating on a first name basis, can I pick a name for you? I have a few options, but one jumps out as my first choice. Alansohn (talk) 23:53, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't patronize me. The previous consensus for this article was keep, that's why it doesn't get deleted/redirected without a discussion.--Rusf10 (talk) 00:19, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge/redirect to Montgomery Township School District per SCHOOLOUTCOMES.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 00:42, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Happy holidays! Baby miss  fortune 02:36, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Happy holidays! Baby miss  fortune 02:36, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. Happy holidays! Baby miss  fortune 02:37, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect - per all the above. John from Idegon (talk) 16:12, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet notability requirements for inclusion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:51, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Selective Merge to Montgomery Township School District. North America1000 03:03, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


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