Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monumental Marathon


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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator and no !delete votes. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:29, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Monumental Marathon

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I'm looking for evidence that this article passes WP:NEVENT and am not finding much. I fail to see evidence that this has gained much attention outside of Indianapolis, per WP:DIVERSE, or that the coverage is anything more than routine or trivial coverage. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 18:49, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Most runners remember Monumental as the race where Jesse Davis ran 2:17:59.9 to qualify for the 2016 Olympic Trials (cutoff is 2:18:00) by one tenth in 2015; this event alone achieved significant media coverage including attention outside Indianapolis. With any annual event there is of course a lot of routine coverage out there but once you sift through it there's a significant amount of original and independent reporting. Alana Hadley's 2:38 there in in 2014 also acheived a lot of coverage considering she was just 17, and Sasha Gollish, Robert Mbithi, and Alisha Williams are all pretty well known runners. The race is often just called the "Indianapolis Marathon" if it helps in searching for sources. --Habst (talk) 21:11, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * IndyStar, WFYI, and Fox59 are all based out of Indianapolis. Blogspot's a blog, not a reliable source. Thus all reliable coverage of Jesse Davis's run from outside the area is Runner's World, and in any event that article talks primarily about Davis's run time and the controversy thereof, not the race itself. The coverage of Alana Hadley's run is less localized, but there are still problems. nc.milesplit is barely a paragraph, more about her than the Monumental Marathon. The rest of the sources are similar in devoting much coverage to her and very little to the race itself. In other words, there are no doubt notable runners who have participated in the Monumental Marathon, but notability isn't inherited, and Google searching Indianapolis Marathon did not turn up any sufficient sourcing either. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 20:44, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I don't think there is a large problem with having multiple sources from a single state (I think there is also national coverage as well though as per RW article, USATF articles, Hadley articles, etc.). I think WP:DIVERSE is mostly about independence of sources (for which there are certainly many), rather than location. Also I think a race's notability in terms of external sources is mostly defined by its runners -- I'm not arguing that the race is notable because those people ran the race, I just think that because those people ran the race, there are multiple independent sources covering their runs at this race specifically. I hope that this race can stay because I think it's notable and meets the Wikipedia guidelines. Habst (talk) 00:17, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You're right: I've been citing WP:DIVERSE incorrectly; I was intending to refer to WP:GEOSCOPE, which reads, "An event affecting a local area and reported only by the media within the immediate region may not necessarily be notable." But at this point, the geographic diversity of the coverage is a secondary issue because we have yet to establish that the race itself is covered in independent sources in a nontrivial manner. An article about a runner that mentions the runner participated in this marathon is trivial. An article that mentions a runner ran in this race which then describes this race in detail is not trivial, but I found only one source that did that; and even that was being used to explain the runner's performance, so it really was still kind of trivial. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 17:15, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you. What type of sources do you think would be best to save the article? I found this source which focuses specifically on the race itself without focusing on any runners if that helps. And here are 34 articles about the race, I haven't sifted through them all yet but I'm just not sure what more I can do. --Habst (talk) 02:22, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay replying. IBJ looks good. The Marathon Guide source is interesting, in that implies that there are a large number of articles which have dealt directly with the subject, but I can't say more without being able to see those articles, which the source does not provide. Leaning slightly towards withdrawing this nomination, but I would like someone else's opinion before I do so. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 22:06, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! And yea, the site is very hard to use, but I was able to get the actual article links by clicking "copy link location" on the marathonguide link, then going to a URL decoder like this and paste the link, then click "Decode" and copy everything after "?src=" in the result, and paste that new URL into the address bar and it should be the correct article. --Habst (talk) 05:10, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Major annual event in a large city that has received media coverage every year for a decade. I don't think WP:GEOSCOPE is relevant as we're talking about a long-term subject, not a one-off (e.g. 2018 Monumental Marathon would not be notable enough). SFB 15:27, 26 May 2018 (UTC)


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