Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monumento a Giuseppe Garibaldi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 03:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Monumento a Giuseppe Garibaldi

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nn sculpture Oo7565 (talk) 06:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. This sculpture is described in The South American Tour by Annie S. Peck (George H. Doran, 1914), Illustrated Descriptive Argentina Henry Stephens 1917, The New World Guides to the Latin American Republics Hanson & Platt 1945, Baedeker of the Argentine Republic Martinez 1914, Argentina Illustrated, For The Tourist and businessman Martino 1947 and various other similar books. JulesH (talk) 11:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete. Not particularly notable. There are many statues of Garibaldi, including one in New York's Washington Square Park, a magnificent one in Rome (naturally), a slightly sad one in Bologna, a small one in Barga Vecchia (one of the oldest), others in Milan, Verona, Florence and so on. There used to be one in Moscow, put up in 1918 - not sure if it is still there. Perhaps an article could be written about all the statues, but usually there will be little more to say about them than this stub entry: when it was erected, who paid for it and who the sculptor was. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1918: Not Moscow, but St. Petersburg. The original public plaster statue by Karl Saale (unveiled March 1919) did not survive, but a bronze copy is preserved in Riga. NVO (talk) 08:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Tropical  Cyclone  00:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep All major public monuments are individually notable, no matter how many of them there may be. This one has quite adequate refs for notability, for those who think that the determining factor. DGG (talk) 03:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If you drive into Montevideo from the airport, you go along an avenue lined with busts of notable people. If you walk along the rambla there are many more. Within the city there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of public busts and statues. In every city of Latin America there are everywhere busts, statues and monuments of Simon Bolivar, Bernardo O'Higgins, Ghandi etc. Not a monument for every street corner, but certainly more monuments than elementary schools. Rather than have many stub-level articles, one per monument, each just giving the basic information with maybe a photo, it seems better to put the descriptions into a general "monuments" or "landmarks" section in the article for each city, with suitable redirects. WP:LOCAL gives sensible advice. Aymatth2 (talk) 06:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I would support merging this article into a Monuments of Buenos Aires article, if anybody wants to take the time to make one. JulesH (talk) 08:57, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * FWIW,it's a monumental sized equestrian sculpture, not a portrait bust.  I said "all major", not "all". In any case we're not paper,and the large number of something is totally irrelevant. DGG (talk) 02:26, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a big monument, but there is not a whole lot to say about it. To me, this is more a question of organization than content. That is, the content can be in an article of its own, or a redirect can lead to a section holding the same content that is part of a larger article. The effect is the same for someone looking for information about the monument, but more convenient for someone trying to find out about what there is to see in Buenos Aires. I like the advice in WP:LOCAL: start with a section like Buenos Aires, and if that gets too big make an article on Buenos Aires (Landmarks), and if some of the entries in there get too big, break them out into their own articles. But wait until they get big enough. I may make a start at this, breaking out the landmarks section and including the content here into the new but broader article. To me, this is not a question of whether this large monument deserves inclusion in the encyclopedia - it does - but a question of whether it should have an article all of its own, which will probably never go beyond a stub. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Just created Buenos Aires (Landmarks) - a first rough cut - with the content from the monument article included. There is plenty of room in this article to add other landmarks. I will not link it or expand it though until this debate is resolved. Just see it as an illustration of the kind of approach that could be followed. Aymatth2 (talk) 04:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks good. We should redirect to it for now, although it may need to become a disambiguation page at some point. JulesH (talk) 08:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.