Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moon-God Allah


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Some arguments are being made for a merge with Robert Morey. This is ultimately an editorial decision, and could still be enacted. At the moment there is clearly no consensus to delete, and it looks like a consensus to keep. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Moon-God Allah

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I am completing this nomination on behalf of the editor who started it, but who has used the template incorrectly. The original nominator user:Kazemita1, wrote "Per my inquiry from Fringe theories noticeboard, the majority of people attending the discussion agree this is a clear case of WP:FRINGE." Paul B (talk) 16:53, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 January 31.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  17:13, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I just changed the categorization from History of Islam to Fringe theories. Nobody's claiming that this is a correct worldview, but judging by google-hits alone, there seem to be enough nut-cases believing in this. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 17:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - A fringe right wing Christianist theory, to be sure, but the Allah the Moon God myth is drawing refutations LIKE THIS indicating to me that this is probably an encyclopedia-worthy topic. Carrite (talk) 17:22, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - certainly a fringe theory but enough has been published on it - and is beginning to be included in the article - that it warrants keeping. Still, it needs a close eye on it to make sure it complies with WP:FRINGE eldamorie (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - In the current format it is more or less a manifest of Robert Morey. I find the discussion in the fringe theory noticeboard quite convincing.--Kazemita1 (talk) 00:58, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - Here's one published source discussing this fringe theory from the page you cite — Tennent: Theology in the Context of World Christianity. This ultimately should come down to sourcing, whether there is enough published material pushing this fringe theory and contrary material debunking it to constitute notability. My opinion is that such sourcing exists. Carrite (talk) 01:46, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have heavily rewritten the article since the nomination, cutting and adding material. I think the topic is notable, but the title should be changed to Allah as Moon-God and it should emphasise mainstream views per WP:FRINGE. Paul B (talk) 13:38, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:02, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 18:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * After some thought and a careful examination of the references, I'm going to go with a split merge to Robert Morey and to God in Islam, with the redirect going to the former. I'm not seeing that the theory has received enough coverage in reliable and secondary sources to support a stand-alone article - the most I see is in Lori Peek's Behind the Backlash, which gives it a couple of paragraphs. The books that are propagating the theory can't demonstrate its notability, and while refutations of it on Muslim websites might demonstrate that it's floating around in the popular imagination, that's not much more than a WP:ITEXISTS argument if the sources aren't reliable (which I wouldn't consider and never have considered religious/apologetic websites with no scholarly content or oversight to be). So merge the fringe theory-related content to Morey and the academic stuff to God in Islam. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 00:52, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. Passes GNG, but barely.  Fringe to be sure, but that can be reflected properly in its coverage.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This is a view of which I have heard, not a mere "fringe" theory. I suspect that we know rather little from WP:RS of the pre-Islamic religion of Mecca.  It is a POV, but so is the Islamic view what Mohammed was restoring the true Abrhamic religion: If I belived that i would not be a Christian.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:46, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Neither "I've heard of it" (WP:LOCALFAME) nor "it's not fringe" and "I believe it" (WP:ILIKEIT) are appropriate arguments; please make a policy-compliant argument, such as one based on sources. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 01:48, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
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