Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moon Griffon (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Moon Griffon
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This deletion discussion was created in response to the delete outcome of Articles for deletion/Kyle Kulinski (4th nomination).

Let's all assess the sources, shall we?
 * 3-4, 8-11, 13-14, 18, 20, 29, 31-32, and 34-39 are well, The Moon Griffon Show. Unquestionably primary.
 * 19 is his site. Not independent.
 * 2 and 16 are "permanent dead link": no possible way to assess if they meet GNG.
 * 6 and 7 verify the existence of some other person but are not related to Griffon. 23 to 24 do the same thing as the above for a second person. 25 to 27, ditto for a third one. 28, fourth.
 * 5, 12, and 17 are obituaries about other people. Face glance says not about him.
 * 15 is a Facebook profile that's clearly owned by someone other than Griffon.
 * 21 is someone else's site. Mentions a "Griffon Award" but that's it.
 * 22 is some database entry about a book on a bookstore website. All it does is verify that someone he hosted wrote that book.
 * 30, 33, 40, and 41 are news articles that don't mention Griffon.
 * 1 is the only independent reliable source that does anything to be substantially about Griffon - several paragraphs (a few with soundbites of him) but that's it - and even then it's technically about another person.

For such a prominent political commentator, there is, like with Kyle Kulinski, no substantial RS coverage of this person, making it near-impossible to write a Wikipedia article on him. Also his career with the Louisiana–Monroe Warhawks men's basketball team doesn't seem to meet WP:NCOLLATH, but I'll see if any evidence comes forward to meet GNG.

I found two more  but they're possibly local-interest so I'll go to AFD to see if any of them count.

I'll also ping who started the first AFD.

Complicating the issues is that the creator has been banned for "for persistent, ongoing and large-scale unwillingness or inability to follow Wikipedia copyright policy". ミラP 23:36, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete Another prime Billy Hathorn WP:REFBOMB, not seeing significant independent coverage for local talking head. Reywas92Talk 00:20, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Almost "because Billy Hathorn", since most of his articles were spam, but in fact due to the analysis above. Guy (help!) 12:00, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This is the poster child for WP:REFBOMB. If you discount the primary sources (around half of the citations), the citations used to check details and trivia on other people (there's a citation to verify that is co-host was a Democrat, another to assert that is brother-in-law is a Republican and another to check that some guest on his show is a car dealer by profession, just to give an idea of the amount of padding), the dead links and the obituaries of several random people, there's nothing on the subject himself. It's actually amazing, this is an article literally built on sources that do not mention the subject. In a WP:BEFORE, I could not find significant coverage of the subject for the article to meet WP:GNG so delete it is. RetiredDuke (talk) 12:17, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete presumptively per Copyright violations. MER-C 14:20, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per above analysis. Another citation overkill article by WP:BILLYHATHORN. SUPER ASTIG 16:09, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - a local talk show host and nothing more. Bearian (talk) 01:43, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


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