Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moonlander (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Moonlander
The result was Merge with Yuri_Landman (non-admin closure).  SilkTork  *YES! 19:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC) AfDs for this article: 
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Previously AfDd and kept. This is an experimental instrument by Yuri Landman. It was linked to many articles of dubious or zero relevance by single purpose accounts, though it's not clear whether this promotion was by Landman, an associate, or a fan. There are precisely two of these instruments in existence: one made for Lee Ranaldo and one kept by Landman. Wikipedia is not Landman's house magazine, but we seem to be the place where his products are most featured. There are very few reliable independent sources on these instruments. Guy (Help!) 12:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Trim and then merge to Yuri Landman. Finally, redirect moonlander, and also Moon lander, Moon Lander etc., to lunar lander, after first fixing links, and add a disambig entry there to Landman's article regarding the guitar design. -- The Anome (talk) 12:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If we are going to do this, I would suggest moving this article to Moonlander (instrument) before merging the article to Yuri Landman, or redirecting the former title Moonlander to a previously unrelated topic. — CharlotteWebb 17:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: see also the comment from User:YuriLandman in Articles for deletion/Moodswinger. -- The Anome (talk) 13:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge into Yuri Landman and do everything else The Anome suggested. --Pixelface (talk) 17:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   —Pixelface (talk) 17:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Announcement of Yuri Landman
Hello, before everybody starts to vote, please take a look at the contributor who nominated these articles and who erases every info about my instruments without thinking the info might be interesting to read for other contributors. I think he's a bit overreacting against my COI. For instance this edit, which is not constructive for the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Third_bridge_guitar&diff=197457192&oldid=197139508

About the merging: This might look a good idea, but I don't think it is. The info is about the experimental instruments and not about me, so it is not as easy as it might look. One main topic will become more confusing, because different inventions maintain different systems. About the OR, I think user Guy is just wrong. I've derived all theory from other topics, but some simple calculations point out my theory isn't wrong. It is just following the same principles as guitar harmonics for instance. So I assume this person doesn't know enough about frequencies, string divisions, resonance, etc. and is not familiar with the screwdriver technique.

As with the first nomination: There is a list of about ten reliable internet articles about my instruments among which for instance:
 * Pitchfork
 * Oddmusic
 * Output Festival (the nominator also erased my lecture at this festival)

Currently more publications are in proces and will be released upcoming months. (a doc and an interview for an airline magazine, maybe a lecture in Spain on a very big festival) I can come back in a few months when the list of publications is longer to point out the relevance of the work, but that will take more work then just leave this as it is. The topics are probably interesting for experimental musicians, fans of the bands, are not harming anything and with Sonic Youth, Blonde Redhead and all the other bands mentioned in the pitchfork article my work will only become more relevant at each interview, release of every new instrument or recording with the instruments.

Next month the guitar for Jad Fair will be released. I don't think it is worth discussing the instrument-topics every time about their relevance.

It is not forbidden to write about your own work on wikipedia. If we can make decent appointments, we can work together. I'm bringing in solid neutral information and no commercial subjective opinion about how good the instruments work. Only how they work. Best wishes and thanks for your contributions. YuriLandman (talk) 18:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


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