Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Morgan Fritz-Ward


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The result was delete. The mere existence of citations is not enough to pass WP:GNG. The references to which the citations point us must be in-depth, independent, and reliable. As pointed out by, none of the references cited in the article meet those criteria. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 16:17, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Morgan Fritz-Ward

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Non-notable ice hockey player who fails to meet WP:GNG. The sources on the page are either not independent or are blogs/passing mentions. I could find no others after a search that meet WP:GNG. Also fails to meet WP:NHOCKEY. DJSasso (talk) 17:32, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep: Fritz-Ward was an alternate captain for an NWHL franchise and has notability as an important player in women's ice hockey. I've updated article to include independent sources. Female player that meets WP:GNG which overrules WP:NHOCKEY, Fritz-Ward has notability (WP:GNG) as one of the first alternate captains for the NWHL.Boopitydoopityboop (talk) 07:27, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Except none of the sources on the page meet WP:GNG. They are all passing mentions, or blogs, or from the league itself. The only one that might possibly be GNG worthy as I don't know the source well enough is Excelle sports, however, that article doesn't really talk about her, just that she left the team which is WP:ROUTINE coverage so doesn't meet the WP:GNG either. The meet the GNG the sources must go into significant depth about the player and be from an independent reliable source. -DJSasso (talk) 10:45, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Fails WP:NHOCKEY but there are enough citations provided to pass WP:GNG. Smartyllama (talk) 15:18, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Appears to have notability. Alaney2k (talk) 22:32, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete we have hockey notability guidelines to avoid over inclusion. If someone is only known as a hockey player, they must meet hockey inclusion guidelines to be included.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:42, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Nope. They can pass GNG as well. That's what GNG exists for. Smartyllama (talk) 19:47, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947 ( c ) (m)   04:03, 12 October 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: Looking at the sources available, I can't imagine how anyone can advocate keep beyond "ooo, citation links!" Half of the cites are from leagues for whom the subject played, and of course cannot count thereby to support notability.  The Excelle Sports cite, even if it wasn't far too scanty and was a reliable source, is a quote from a press release, for pity's sake.  The Collinsville Press cite comes from a small-town weekly serving two towns with a combined population of 28,000, and is of the sort that doesn't count towards notability either.  The Yahoo sports cite is an admitted rehash of the theicegarden.com cite, which is routine sports coverage debarred by WP:ROUTINE.  Perhaps the keep proponents can come up with actual cites from quality media sources, but I haven't found any.   Ravenswing   20:15, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG. Hmlarson (talk) 01:12, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment, "we have hockey notability guidelines to avoid over inclusion.", however from the lead of WP:NSPORTS there is: "Please note that the failure to meet these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted". Coolabahapple (talk) 06:37, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Despite not having many credentials, the SB Nation story on her leaving the league due to the cutback in pay got reprinted in more than one place on top of the normal routine coverage, is just barely what I call GNG-worthy sources. However, it should be noted, that the sources for a male would likely end in a delete without argument. If it wasn't for how she left the league, she would not be notable. Yosemiter (talk) 01:06, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - The only 2 sources in the article that are independent reliable sources are Excelle Sports and Yahoo Sports. But these two stories are both about one event, her retirement.  I was not able to find other significant coverage.  So even if I give credit for these 2 relatively weak articles meeting the GNG criterion of "multiple" reliable independent sources, as a BLP the subject still fails WP:ONEEVENT. Rlendog (talk) 00:01, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947 ( c ) (m)   03:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Clearly fails to meet WP:NHOCKEY and doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG either. Coverage is routine sports reporting for a minor league hockey player.  A minor league athlete retiring because of low pay is hardly unique--thousands do it every year.  Even if you consider the articles on her quitting hockey to be significant, it still appears to be a case of WP:BLP1E. Papaursa (talk) 15:43, 25 October 2017 (UTC)


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