Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Morris (singer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. T. Canens (talk) 17:04, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Morris (singer)

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I see no reliable sources indicating this individual passes WP:MUSIC, only a piece in a tabloid. Biruitorul Talk 23:57, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Has received plenty of coverage in Romania, where he is evidently a big star. --Michig (talk) 07:36, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The burden of proving that statement lies on you. Please show us the sources that led you to this conclusion if you want your assertion to be accepted. - Biruitorul Talk 15:14, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * These sources, which I found using Google, and the size of a newspaper's sheets doesn't necessarily have a bearing on reliability:, , , , , , . --Michig (talk) 18:10, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem with Libertatea is not that it is printed on tabloid sheets, but that it propagates tabloid journalism. That is what makes it an unreliable source, and why articles such as "Morris, harassed by a blonde in Bacău" cannot be used to demonstrate notability.
 * Other than that, you've brought in a couple of pieces from Realitatea Românească, an online-only publication almost as bad as Libertatea. One of these is a brief puff piece ("Don't miss the interview and keep your eyes peeled to the Music Channel to see Morris's new exclusive clip!"), while another is a bit of crystal-balling ("Marius Iancu, alias Morris, a future hit-maker on the music scene").
 * Finally, we have an irrelevant piece from the Italian spinoff of Adevărul. While Adevărul itself is highly respected, it does not necessarily follow that every bit of content in every one of its subdivisions is quotable. Certainly a piece that is reminiscent of a blog post, entitled "Look what the stars are doing for Valentine's Day!", and barely mentions Morris, does nothing to advance a claim of notability on his part.
 * I have yet to see significant coverage of the subject in reliable publications, or any evidence he passes WP:MUSIC. The latest attempt fails to establish notability. - Biruitorul Talk 06:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Although he passes WP: MUSIC, regretfully, he fails WP: GNG, as the 2 sources are unreliable. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:52, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -Scottywong | express _ 15:56, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Comment, regarding the weak delete above, as I understand it only passing one notability guideline is necessary. Darryl from Mars (talk) 14:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe that's true, but let's also note that Electriccatfish2 did not say how the subject passes WP:MUSIC, nor did he point to reliable sources establishing the fact, so the comment (as of now) is of limited value. It would be useful if he could expand on his remark to address these issues. - Biruitorul Talk 15:56, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep nominated and winner of Romanian Top Hits Awards (WP:MUSICBIO) + coverage on reliable secondary sources. Despite the nominator's POV about these sources there is no minimal evidence all these newspapers are unreliable and unsuitable, and looking at other nominator's AfDs it seems he has a WP:POINT about any kind of source provided in support of the notability of his deletion-targets. Cavarrone (talk) 21:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Like I said at the other AfD where you've issued a similar allegation, do start an RfC on my conduct if you so wish; I will gladly defend my record.
 * Yes, Libertatea is a tabloid paper; it freely admits to being one, and plenty of references confirm that.
 * Yes, a patently promotional article and a promotional crystal-balling piece in an unknown publication that fails even to appear in the official register that tracks such matters are unusable.
 * Yes, a blog post with a two-line mention of what Morris will be doing on Valentine's Day is irrelevant.
 * Do show us the sources confirming receipt of the award, do explain why the award is relevant, do show us the "coverage on reliable secondary sources" you speak of, do stop throwing around unseemly accusations of POV and POINT and do try to have a civil discussion. - Biruitorul Talk 22:57, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Here a list of the winners, here a TV-report about the ceremony. Here 74 news articles in support of the notability of the award. The Romanian WP article refers to it as "the most important musical event taking place in Romania". Cavarrone (talk) 00:17, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:03, 17 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Morris also passes WP:MUSICBIO, his 2010 song "Havana Lover" ranked 41 in the annual Romanian music chart, with a peak of 5 (see also here). Cavarrone (talk) 07:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * For one, "what ro.wiki says" is irrelevant, given that we base our articles on secondary sources, not other wikis. For another, this is a blog post, this is pretty low-level too, as well as being barest passing mention. And this? Come, now.
 * Given that there are essentially no reliable sources on Morris, even if he does possibly fit one or two criteria, the fact that one can't really say anything substantive on him means that at best, we ought to redirect to Romanian Top Hits Awards (should that actually be demonstrated as notable) or End-Year Chart 2010 (Romania). There's not enough here to justify more. - Biruitorul Talk 22:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Just for info, this site is the website of the company (Media Forest Research Company) which officially compiles Romanian charts. this is not a blog, at least if you does not proves otherwise, and however the list is avalaible elsewhere (you can choose between over 14.000 sites, and this is just a possible search key for the list). It is clear Morris passes MUSICBIO, and your arguments does not even seem questioning this evidence on the merits. So... Cavarrone (talk) 22:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep! I see sources!!! --Madmans stone (talk) 20:27, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't have the wherewithal to launch an SPI, but let me observe that Madmans stone, like earlier incarnations Ondskan2 and Redroom2, is a sockpuppet of banned User:Anittas. (Note the pattern of stalking me, Dahn and Anonimu.) Striking his two vote here seems advisable. - Biruitorul Talk 20:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Where do you see two of my votes? Are you seeing double again? Lay of the scotch, dude. And also, this is not the first time you run to Dahn in order to get his attention on matters that you find disturbing. It seems the only value you put on your friendship with Dahn is to have him support your agendas. In a way, I sort of like the way you go about when you start presenting your cases to him. You do it in such a stylish and sneaky way! First you sympathize with Dahn over the great hardships that he must endure on Wikipedia. (Indeed, poor Dahn is a victim to my instigation and the stupidity of editors.) But then you offer him a remedy. 'Hold on, Dahn,' you would be saying, 'Biruitorul is here; and together we will prevail!' And then you refer him to all kind of links. Now, is this what you want to start an SPI for? Oh, no, not an SPI! Anything but an SPI! Have a good day, Beer! --Madmans stone (talk) 11:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: User:Madmans stone has been blocked for block evasion. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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