Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moses (Coldplay song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ASTIG️🙃  (ICE-T • ICE CUBE) 04:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Moses (Coldplay song)

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I would like to nominate this article for deletion because is not a very notable release: Its details can be boiled down to a text on their discography page, it has not been certified gold or higher in at least one country, it has not won or been nominated for a major music award and only made into minor charts in the US. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 02:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 03:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - It charted on 3 separate Billboard charts, including the top 10 of one of them. I'm guessing with that sort of chart performance that sourcing is probably out there, even if it's locked away in paper sources because it's a 2003 song... Sergecross73   msg me  12:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep – Content-wise the article could use some expansion, but the song being officially pushed as a single to radio and (as noted above) subsequently ranking on three Billboard charts (and I'd dispute these being strictly minor or insignificant – Alternative Airplay, for one, is a fairly notable chart in its own right with a well-documented history covered in both primary and third-party [e.g.] sources, and at the time of this song's release was one of Billboard's primary single charts for the rock genre), including becoming a top ten hit on one of them, strikes me as grounds for notability here. Holiday56 (talk) 06:44, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ASTIG️🙃  (ICE-T • ICE CUBE) 02:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete on account of subject lacking independent notability. This seems as good a time as any to revisit WP:NSONG. Songs and singles are probably notable if they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label. This includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, television documentaries or reviews. This excludes media reprints of press releases, or other publications where the artist, its record label, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the work. Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability. If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created. For this song, we strive to find sources testifying to the above but we come up empty. -The Gnome (talk) 19:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep Good grief, I can't believe I'm setting out to help save a Coldplay song, but here we are. The guidelines on this one are achingly clear, folks WP:NALBUM tells us "The recording has appeared on any country's national music chart" and three Billboard chart placements later, they're over the bar and whingeing their way to notability. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:04, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Is debuting in a chart enough though? Everything about this song can be merged with Coldplay Live 2003. Aside from Coldplay I'm a Taylor Swift fan and I don't think all of her Hot 100 entries warrant a page of their own. "Moses" case is even "worse", it entered three side-charts, not Billboard's flagship one. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 13:58, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This is about a song and not an album, Alexandermcnabb. -The Gnome (talk) 15:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Every album has a Singles section, I don't see how "Moses" can't be summarized to a paragraph to the point of warranting its own article. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 15:05, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What does the fact that an album has a section with the songs it contains have anything to do with the level of notability any of the songs in an album has? Also, about "summarizing": We can create a paragraph about every song in existence! But,again, this does not mean the song is notable enough to have its own, separate article. -The Gnome (talk) 12:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hola The Gnome - I view that guideline - lacking any specific guideline to 'singles' as such - as pertaining to any music recording rather than as specifically an 'album' an 'EP' or a 'song'... There are many holes in the sock that is WP guidelines... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:30, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a guideline about songs. The category of songs includes songs that have been released as singles and songs that have not. So, it's an all-inclusive category. (Your point about a "sock" is unclear. If what you mean is that there is an issue with the relevant guideline, what we should do is bring it up for discussion; not ignore it.) -The Gnome (talk) 12:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets WP:NSONG per above arguments. SBKSPP (talk) 01:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Any proof that supports your argument, please? "There are sources" is not an argument. -The Gnome (talk) 12:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Commonsense goes a long ways too though. Songs don't hit the top 10 of a noteworthy chart and not get a handful of articles written about them. Sergecross73   msg me  02:31, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Common sense can also be used to argue how this page received less than 250 edits since its creation 17 years ago. Coldplay didn't even released a studio version for this song. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 20:02, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That has no bearing on anything relevant to deletion discussions. Sergecross73   msg me  22:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


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