Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moses Ingram


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Queen's Gambit (miniseries). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  22:26, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Moses Ingram

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WP:BLP of an actress, not properly referenced as passing WP:NACTOR. As always, actors and actresses are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they've had roles -- the notability test does not hinge on listing roles, but on showing that she has been the subject of reliable source media coverage about her and her roles. But two of the three sources here are her IMDb profile and a user-generated fanwiki dedicated to the show she's in, which are not reliable or notability-supporting sources at all -- and while the third source (Decider) is marginally okay, it's not substantive enough to get her over the notability bar all by itself if it's the only acceptable source on offer. Note also that this was originally created as a redirect, which I've ended up having to delete via page-moving as the creator of this version moved it from sandbox to a title which retained an unacceptable leading slash. So no prejudice against also restoring the original redirect if desired -- but the sourcing on offer here isn't good enough to get her a standalone biographical article yet. Bearcat (talk) 02:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 02:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 02:43, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Restore the redirect. There is an existing article in draft space which is an improved version of the article which was moved (incorrectly) into main space. Previously the redirect mentioned the draft article and all was well, moving the obviously poor article to mainspace was a bad move which just confused things. The most laughable error is the claim that she is a paralegal and studied at KSU, sourced to a fan wiki about the character she plays. She is expected to get more notable roles and to have sufficient sources to support an article in due course. Mean time, any edits/improvements should be made to the draft article. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 05:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC) Edit: Found a good article at Elle magazine, certainly a reliable source. If this is good enough to get it over the line, then move the draft space article to main space. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 07:53, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to The Queen's Gambit (miniseries) as it's the only notable role she has so far. The interview with Elle is a sign that she is beginning to be noticed, but it's still WP:TOOSOON. She would need multiple roles to meet WP:ENT. That interview also says she is in The Tragedy of Macbeth, but that hasn't been released yet.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:16, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment We've got 3 notable roles (doesn't get much bigger than Joel Coen and Michael Bay) and multiple reliable sources now. IMO the draft is ready for main space. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 22:19, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Being cast in a film that hasn't been released yet doesn't help an actress get over WP:NACTOR — we only consider roles that have already been released, not future ones, so neither the Macbeth nor Ambulance casting announcements are doing anything at all to help. Winning a student award from her own alma mater, sourced to the school's own self-published press release, does nothing to establish her notability either. So the only source that's getting anywhere is the Elle piece, but it takes more than just one piece of that calibre to finish the job. Bearcat (talk) 23:15, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't read anything at all in NACTOR to support the view that unreleased films count for nothing... but whatever. Just restore the redirect and stop editing that article, an older inferior version of the draft article. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 23:29, 12 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.