Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Most Beautiful Girl in Nigeria


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The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  06:25, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Most Beautiful Girl in Nigeria

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1. notability needs checking 2. multiple factual/misleading assertions removed leaving increasingly hollow article (alternative is merge to Silverbird Group) Widefox (talk) 14:33, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, so full of cruft, trivia, misleading info, puffery and crap, notability only vaguely asserted, few if any sources are good. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:07, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:53, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:53, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect/comment - This seems to be the contest run by Nike Oshinowo-Soleye who has also been NFD'd. However, it seems to me that Nike herself is notable (she has been described as one of the 20 most influential people in Nigeria) with sufficient sources out there about her, and the contest is mentioned quite often in relation to her, both as a former winner and as the person behind the current incarnation. So I suggest that the two articles be combined, with the Most Beautiful Girl in Nigeria article made into a sub-section of an improved/rewritten Nike Oshinowo-Soleye article, and the contest itself turned into a redirect to Nike's page. Mabalu (talk) 21:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * comment As I just said on the Oshinowo-Soleye AfD, the "20 most" source is a copy/paste of the Oshinowo-Soleye article itself! so not a WP:RS. Refs from that website should be marked unreliable (also it is unattributed). Widefox (talk) 10:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but this article is not 'full of crap'. New citation has been added. And Nike Oshinowo is in charge of Miss Nigeria, not MBGN; her page will soon be re-written.Cleanupbabe (talk) 14:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong keep - the Most Beautiful Girl in Nigeria beauty pageant is by far one of the largest, if not the largest, beauty pageant in Nigeria. All major and minor newspapapers and magazines, tv & radio stations in Nigeria devote extensive coverage each year to the events prior, during and after the beauty show. The scores of print media in Nigeria alone suffice for this pageant to easily pass WP:GNG, as there is significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. The MTV Base reference in the article has given the pageant notable international recognition (MTV Base calls the Most Beautiful Girl in Nigeria beauty pageant "...a much loved event..."). MTVBase recently broadcast a 30 minutes interview with the founder of The Most Beautiful Girl in Nigeria pageant, Ben Murray-Bruce. Wikipedia's Guideline on Notability for Organizations stipulates the following: "Wikipedia bases its decision about whether an organization is notable enough to justify a separate article on the verifiable evidence that the organization or product has attracted the notice of reliable sources unrelated to the organization or product. Notability requires only that these necessary sources have been published—even if these sources are not actually listed in the article yet (though in most cases it probably would improve the article to add them)." I have thusly included below a list of reliable sources which all either directly address the pageant or report about it. Surely, from these source, it is established, that the Most Beautiful Girl in Nigeria beauty pageant has attracted the notice of reliable sources, and thusly fulfilled WP:ORG, WP:ORGIN, WP:GNG, WP:RS and WP:V. Since I'm presently short on time, it'd be good if another editor could please add some of the sources into the MBGN article to improve it. Thank you. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. Amsaim (talk) 22:27, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

My name is Jemma, and since 2008 I have been responsible for editing the MBGN and Miss Nigeria pages. In recent weeks I have been accused of creating pages which are subsequently used to attack the subjects and add false information. These claims are ridiculous, and I can assure the administrators that as a Wiki editor, that is not my intention, as I am aware that these article are read by people all over the world, and indeed a few of the subjects have contacted me to voice their complaints, which is never intentional but always rectified. As far as the MBGN page is concerned, I would like to point out a few facts which have been questioned by Widefox: Thank you.CleanupbabeCleanupbabe (talk) 13:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * MBGN in Nigeria is a genuine beauty pageant, the biggest in Nigeria, and the most consistent; therefore the website cited is reliable [1].
 * In the late 80's, Nigeria's rights to Miss World were sold to Silverbird, organisers of MBGN.
 * It is a well-known fact that the pageants winners have been mostly Igbo women, stating with Lynda Chuba-Ikpeazu in 1986. The current titleholder, Isabella Ayuk is the first non-Igbo woman from the South-East to win the title in nine years. The reference cited clearly states that Ayuk is a Cross River-native, and most people from this area are Efik. The previous five winners of the contest were Igbo - any Nigerian can tell by looking at their surnames; for all those who are not familiar with African names, I can provide citation. Omotu Bissong, who won the contest in 2003 (as Celia Bissong) was also from Cross River. After her reign, no other Cross River-native won the title; the winners were mainly Igbo women like rapper Munachi Nwankwo. Regina Askia, who was also a non-Igbo contestant from the South-East did not actually win in 1988 - she replaced Bianca Onoh, yet another Igbo winner.
 * The history section may work better in prose, so that will be re-written, adding more references where necessary.
 * Some of the links are dead now, but they shall be revived. I should also state that most of them were reliable sources as they came from newspapers such as The Punch and The Vanguard which are reputable journals in Nigeria.
 * The 'Trivia' section is actually a Crossover section - other pageant pages like Miss World have similar segments.
 * Finally' I have noticed that anytime I try to clean up or update this page - with references too - it is changed back to the former contribution. Please bear in mind that these article are being read by people all over the world...and Sylvia is no longer the reigning queen.
 * Comment - Question for Editor Cleanupbabe: can your two postings be interpreted as a 'Keep' recommendation? Amsaim (talk) 18:23, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
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