Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Most Holy Church of God in Christ Jesus (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There's no basis in policy for the argument that all religious groups are automatically notable.  Sandstein  09:26, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Most Holy Church of God in Christ Jesus
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It appears that nothing on this page can be verified through reliable sources. Several references did exist, but for various reasons (spam, broken links, irrelevance to the text of the article, self-publishing) not a single one went to a reliable source. I performed the basic searches looking for usable sources but didn't find any. In particular, this organization does not appear to exist on JSTOR or Google News at all, and everything else I've found is only a passing mention. I'm new to this process, so let me know if there's some other information I should be giving or a step that I'm missing. Alephb (talk) 20:52, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Bluemask (talk) 14:00, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 05:21, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 05:21, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:23, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment and  suggest that it is an extent church with at least two congregations.  I don't see any reliable independent sources, only a few self-published books through Google Book Search. Power~enwiki (talk) 23:23, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Nominator here. I would have no objections to an article on this subject, but if we can't come up with anything we can source, I'd imagine we have to delete the article and wait until third-party reliable sources start covering it. Alephb (talk) 00:10, 16 May 2017 (UTC)


 * In principle, Keep -- as we normally do for denominations. The problem is with verifiable content, but that might involve reducing it to a stub, rather than deletion.  The problem may be that the relevant sources are in Talagog or some other local language.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:03, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any special exception granted to religious denominations that automatically gives them an article outside the normal notability criteria. In fact, WP:ORGSIG claims that all kinds of organizations are held to the same standard. "No company or organization is considered inherently notable. No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is, including schools. If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable simply because other individual organizations of its type are commonly notable or merely because it exists (see 'If it's not notable', below). 'Notability' is not synonymous with 'fame' or 'importance.' No matter how 'important' editors may personally believe an organization to be, it should not have a stand-alone article in Wikipedia unless reliable sources independent of the organization have discussed it." And I don't think we keep an article on the chance that it might be discussed in reliable sources no editor has managed to find yet. WP:PROVEIT places the burden of proof (finding reliable sources) on whoever is arguing for inclusion. The default position, until sources are found, is the removal of the unsourced material. Alephb (talk) 21:50, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - even for a country filled with tiny sects this one is not notable. Religious organizations and churches are not automatically notable. Bearian (talk) 23:28, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947 (c)  05:16, 23 May 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak delete/merge. Interesting. At first I thought that denominations are auto-notable, but indeed, there is no rule saying so, and why they should have an exception? Still, I'd be ok if we could merge it into some sort of a list. List of minor Christian denomination in the Philippines? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:30, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  So Why  13:18, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. This article keeps getting relisted. But perhaps the reason it hasn't attracted much comment is that we have an open-and-shut case here. There's zero significant coverage in reliable sources, and no one is attempting to argue this point or add citations. What more is there to talk about here? It's going on four weeks now and no one has yet proposed that a single sentence of this article can be supported with references. Alephb (talk) 17:50, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


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