Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moths of Whitley County Indiana


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The result was delete. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 22:22, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Moths of Whitley County Indiana

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This article seems highly unnecessary and out of keeping with other taxonomic lists. Whitley County is a small area, whereas lists such as this only tend to cover entire countries, with the exception of Moths of Riccarton Bush, which is notable in that entomologists have famously studied there. -- Pingumeister(talk) 21:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:11, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:11, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:11, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Too small-scale, and completely unsourced. Presumably someone's private mothing list.-- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:27, 10 January 2017 (UTC)


 * That was my thought, too. It does just seem like a list of moths in his area. I daresay WP:NOTWEBHOST applies. Delete 15:28, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unsourced and likely either original research or plagiarism if a source exists. Too small a scale to be encyclopedic to boot. Plantdrew (talk) 09:28, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of WP:LISTN being met Spiderone  21:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I am new to Wikipedia and am not sure how to reply correctly. I added sources. There is no easy way to find the moths of a certain area, range maps are often vague and not always accurate. I hoped this would allow one to more easily see what species have been found in this area by including my own observations along with the other sources. I would not expect you to be able to tell that there are some important records here of rare species because you are probably not knowledgeable on topic of moths. I am still planning to add more data and sources if it is not deleted. Hope this helps - User:Mothman27, creator of this article. —Preceding undated comment added 22:04, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: Firstly, welcome to Wikipedia! I recommend you read a few guidelines, firstly, WP:OR, which explains in detail why original research is not allowed on Wikipedia. As such, you cannot add your own observations to an article, because all material must be backed up by reliable, published sources. Therefore, whether your article contains records of rare species or not, you cannot include that information unless you have a reliable, published source. Secondly, Wikipedia has a long list of notability guidelines for different types of article. If an article's subject fails to pass the relevant notability guideline, its article should not be created (in the vast majority of cases). The general guideline is found here: WP:N (you'll find links to other notability guidelines here) and I especially recommend you read WP:LISTN (list articles). Please also take a look at WP:NOT for "what Wikipedia is not". -- Pingumeister(talk) 00:24, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Comment I read the recommended pages. I feel that WP:LOCAL applies to some extent. If someone in my area is interested in finding what moths live here but they are not a bug expert, they would not know of the bug websites and they might try Wikipedia. It is a fairly comprehensive list and I am not done with it. Would you recommend I submit ALL my sightings to BAMONA and then source every page for each species? Should I add all my sightings and sources to the List of butterflies and moths of Indiana page? Or create a 'Northern Indiana Moths' page to make it more general?Glendoremus, are you recommending submitting all my sightings to BAMONA and not recording them on Wikipedia at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mothman27 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: I agree with above comments from Pingumeister and others. The list is not a good fit for Wikipedia--too narrow in scope and (I suspect) too much original research. The data presented could be useful but would really work better as part of an interactive database, not a static list in an encyclopedia--take a look here [].Glendoremus (talk) 00:50, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: I understand your sentiment, and while it is good of you to be looking for a place to directly record your sightings, Wikipedia is not it. I appreciate your boldness (see WP:BOLD) and you have perfectly good intentions, but in order to stick to its principles, Wikipedia is built upon core content policies, and in this case, verifiability and "no original research" are breached. I have no doubt that you are updating Wikipedia with information that is true, but your data is not verifiable. If you post sightings to some other user-edited site and cite that site here, that is still dodgy – user-edited sites are not usually verifiable and are usually considered unreliable sources. What Glendoremus is suggesting is that you post your sightings to a different website which is more suited to the job. Of course, I have no intention of discouraging you from contributing to Wikipedia. Continue to be bold, but learn about the policies and guidelines as you go! -- Pingumeister(talk) 13:10, 12 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. The question of weather this list might be useful to some is of no relevance. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a field guide, database of statistics, scientific journal, etc. Wikipedia cannot and should not serve as a repository of all data in existence. County level searches can be performed on existing sources such as BugGuide, BAMONA, and other alternative outlets. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:22, 14 January 2017 (UTC)


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