Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Motor City Rockers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Tone 21:48, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Motor City Rockers

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Does not meet WP:GNG yet, redirect to Federal Prospects Hockey League until more substantial coverage is available. Currently coverage is limited to recycled press releases and announcements, as the team is not scheduled to begin playing until an apparently still-unscheduled date.

Source assessments:
 * The Oakland Press interview in a local paper with essentially no independent analysis
 * Jnews.uk press release
 * Grosse Pointe News lightly edited press release with no significant independent analysis
 * ProHockey News press release
 * Macomb Daily This source seems usable, although the coverage is essentially just of the announcement that the team will be formed, so one could quibble about the depth of coverage. N.b. this is the same author as source 1, Macomb Daily and The Oakland Press appear to be syndicating the same reporter's coverage.
 * Bus league hockey The only cited source with actual analysis, alas it's a blog that does not publish editorial information and likely falls short of being an RS.
 * The Voice I'm getting a dead link right now, but this was the same syndicated article as source 1.
 * Metro Times, lightly edited press release

I was unable to find any superior coverage searching online and on Proquest. All told, we have at most 1 or 2 sources that would count towards GNG if we're being extra generous, so I think this is still WP:TOOSOON, and creation of an article should wait until we have substantial coverage of the team in action, not just announcements of its future establishment. signed,Rosguill talk 16:38, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ice hockey and Michigan. signed,Rosguill talk 16:38, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep this is notable, it is way better then what it used to beCatfurball (talk) 16:47, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep though I personally may not have as much of an interest in the team, other people are, and the references used seem quite adequate. -User:DanTD (talk) 17:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: It is highly unusual to delete an article on a professional sports team, let alone an active one acknowledged by the league to be gearing up to start play in October.  I might not find these sources adequate enough for a team that had never taken the ice and never would, or for a team we knew for a certain fact was defunct, but part of TOOSOON is the premise that there is not enough information available to sustain an article.  This is not the case here.   Ravenswing      00:10, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it's more unusual to see a presumption of notability for an upcoming minor league team based on threadbare routine coverage; Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability. signed,Rosguill talk 19:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We will have to agree to disagree on your claims of "threadbare routine coverage." I don't find it such, myself.  Neither do most of the Keep proponents.   Ravenswing      19:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: There are dozens of smaller American and Canadian hockey teams outside the NHL that have articles. Don’t understand the toxic attitude of deletionists, who want to remove otherwise well written articles. -- Steven Bjerke97  talk  21:47, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You should be aware of using WP:OTHERSTUFF as an argument on AFD. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:55, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep due to improvements. Even if some of those sources are questionably reliable, the Metro Times is enough. Jontesta (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What improvements have been made since it was nominated on 1st July? -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * None. There are, however, many such since the nom tried redirecting the article a couple weeks ago.   Ravenswing      19:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.