Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Motorcycle Bell


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No prejudice against merging.  Arbitrarily0  ( talk ) 20:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Motorcycle Bell

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no need for a standalone article on a "motorcycle bell" the extent to which a motorcycle bell can be discussed can probably be done on Motorcycle or Motorcyclist PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:23, 6 August 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:22, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, inclined to agree that an element of a Motorcycle, in this case a bell, is not a notable standalone topic, and the way the article has been written makes me wonder how serious it is. At a desperate push, it could be a redirect to a section on Motorcycle components, but the "bell" isn't even really mention on there already, so it may only be doing it for the sake of doing it. Bungle (talk • contribs) 20:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I will edit the name to Guardian or Gremlin Bell then being Motorcycle Bell is Vague. It's clearly a part of historical times, sorry you find motorcycle cites as unreliable. I did cite Harley Davidson, so clearly you did not read down that far to see that notation which is considered a reliable source according to Wikipedia. Motorcycle information systems for research are far and few in between so the cites given where informational to the upmost part of the articles main points. Proving it exist showed online buying sites, which I have no affliation. It can also be see in Google Trends as a search with HIGH volume amongst the thousands of domains with different variations of the origins of this FOLK Tale not simply a component rather than a piece of history added to a vehicle and is covered under folk tale, historical events, current events, spiritual, religious, a fixed item, tangible, physical element (uniquely), and part of a society in brotherhood of VETERANS who served our country for FREEDOM.!!! Do your research. Stockstill, Tiffany (talk) 00:22, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sources are RELIABLE given the subject. All information are FACTS and can be found throughout the web except for WIKIPEDIA! Stockstill, Tiffany (talk) 00:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Bicycle and Bicycle Bell have two separate pages so you component example is non-sense. Stockstill, Tiffany (talk) 18:35, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Including more references to the subject
 * Book- The Legend of the Guardian Bell: Motorcycle Folklore by Hollie Bell-Schinzing
 *  I find it strange that you are quick to denote my article but fail to research yourself. It doesn't seem conducive to this platform. You can also visit any Motorcycle rally and look beneath thousands of bikes with 1 inch bells under neath. Furthermore Google Trends shows high volume as attached in my previously removed reference list along with Harley Davidson's story link that was also removed . Stockstill, Tiffany (talk) 18:46, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, being Motorcycle goes by several story variations and known names throughout the World this makes Motorcycle Bell an Encyclopedic Insert not a simple Dictionary element. The article obviously will need more Wikis adding information to build it further however that's what this platform is used for-to educate on a subject matter. This item is sold massively online which I have no relation to NOR do I profit one penny from it. I found something not listed that should be and you fail to do your own research. Also, if you are a helpful editor, what Are trusted resources in relations to motorcycles? If you can let me know I'm sure I'll further verification for you for my reference list that was edited down to nothing. Thanks in advance.   Stockstill, Tiffany (talk) 19:00, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I've reverted a good-faith page move to Gremlin Bell in the middle of the discussion. Please don't move the article until the discussion is finished, thanks. Storchy (talk) 05:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep At first I thought this was a hoax, partly because of the pervasive in-universe descriptions in the article and the low quality of some of the sources, but it's apparently a real superstition. You can buy these bells on Amazon, too, and things don't get much more real than that! Seriously, though, some of the sources in the article are genuine RS and suffice to clear GNG. This isn't really a merge candidate because these aren't motorcycle parts, they're ritual fetishes. A merge would be like merging dashboard hula statues into automobile. Why is that a redlink, anyway?! Central and Adams (talk) 23:59, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Guardian bells (or gremlin bells) do seem to be a custom in parts of American bike culture. But the only reliable source cited here that actually talks about the bells is the Fox News reference. The others are about related topics, and not about the bells themselves. The rest of the sources that do mention them here and online are blogs, and a self-published book. The Fox News source can be used for a sentence or two at motorcycle, rather than a whole separate article. Storchy (talk) 00:03, 14 August 2022 (UTC)


 * CommentBold:A little divine help for Motorcyclist added as a citation. by Los Angeles Times a Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Stockstill, Tiffany (talk) 21:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep Motorcycle reference links are almost non-existent. The item and the story variations are part of Culture. I provided several links to the history of the story including History.com, Harley Davidson, a Poem, a Book and several other sites with no outlinks or ads space all of which have no correlation in domain space to each other to prove that the Motorcycle Bell does exist
 * Define Culture:Culture (/ˈkʌltʃər/) is an umbrella term which encompasses the social behavior, institutions, and norms found in human societies, as well as the knowledge, beliefs, arts, laws, customs, capabilities, and habits of the individuals in these groups. Culture is often originated from or attributed to a specific region or location.
 * Humans acquire culture through the learning processes of enculturation and socialization, which is shown by the diversity of cultures across societies. Reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_artifact It's a bell that hangs below a motorcycle and can be proven to exist on any major retail store including Wal-Mart, Amazon, Etsy, Ebay.

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stockstill, Tiffany (talk • contribs) 03:32, 15 August 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 15:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete or as ATD Merge to Talisman: Existence does not prove notability. The article, as written, is confusing. It is not primarily about a motorcycle accessory but a "charm or a symbolic piece of protection to ward off evil spirits", referred to as a talisman. A source from Harley Davidson discussing a charm bell, that they sell with their name on it, is not independent but tends to be promotional. The Popular Mechanics source just literally mentions the name which can give the appearance of loading up an article with sources or gish galloping. The Indian Motorcycle Forum is a "forum" which is what Wikipedia is not. --  Otr500 (talk) 16:04, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Encyclopedia covers many books and or sections on a word that stands for many things not a primary definition such as motorcycle accessory. Motor Cycle Bell can be categorized as a Polysemy based on your Delete vote comments. Wikipedia is a Forum (see line 1.c & 3.a), which creates discussion for differential culture experiences or views. Stockstill, Tiffany (talk) 04:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep perhaps with a rename to Guardian Bell or similar. Coverage supports that WP:GNG is met. MrsSnoozyTurtle 02:44, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * added
 * Motorcycle enthusiasts share road, close calls Blessings, and charms
 * Moore, who rides year round, held a bike blessing April 18 in the parking lot of Big Sandy in Lancaster in conjunction with Salvation Army. Dozens of locals rode in on their bikes for a blessing that day. Moore was among some of the motorcycle ministries members blessing other riders that day. And he received his own blessing."It helps to put their minds at ease," Moore said, explaining that many like to do it because of the high-risk nature of riding motorcycles. USA Today Publisher
 * "A first-aid kit or a little bell to repel road gremlins are good stocking stuffers. The bell, in fact, works better when received as a gift than if you buy it yourself."  Chicago Tribune
 * Stockstill, Tiffany (talk) 05:08, 22 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Selective merge to Motorcycling, perhaps to expand it into a "culture" subsection. Not every minor thing that is covered in sources needs coverage at the article level.  Sandstein   07:58, 29 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.