Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Motorola Tough Talker


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There must be verifiable sources which demonstrate notability for a product. There is a consensus that this phone does not have sourcing which satisfies our guidelines for notability. Barkeep49 (talk) 05:03, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Motorola Tough Talker

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An article about a phone which doesn't meet WP:NPRODUCT or WP:GNG. The sources about the phone are all from a forum, which isn't reliable because it is entirely user-generated content. A Google search turns up almost results about the phone, especially News and Books searches. This appears to be a product that made no real impact on the world, and isn't notable enough to warrant an encyclopedia article. The Mirror Cracked (talk) 04:59, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. The Mirror Cracked (talk) 04:59, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Vintage cell phones as a whole are very, very niche. Finding official places to cite is very hard with stuff like this. Motorola doesn’t have information about phones this old on their website, and I can’t think of any other “official” places that have lots of information about any vintage cell phone.
 * The Tough Talker is very notable, because it is the precursor to what became the Motorola bag phone, a very popular range of phones Motorola produced for many years.
 * Also, I am only citing mobilecollectors.net for years the phones were made, as they can be told by the serial numbers on the phone, and those don’t lie. It’s very hard to figure out exactly when some of these were introduced, and when production ceased, so we can only go by the oldest and newest-known ones we can find.
 * I just thought it would be very nice to have an article about these phones, as there really isn’t a good one elsewhere.
 * Also, there is very, very little citing in the Motorola bag phone article, so why is that being allowed to stay up?
 * Sure, maybe the Tough Talker isn’t the most well-known phone in existence, but it’s very historically significant for Motorola, and deserves its own article. Why should it be forgotten to time because it’s not the most famous phone in existence?
 * If y’all really feel like the article should be deleted, I can’t do anything about that. I am just trying to do some good here and create a decent article about these phones, because there isn’t one elsewhere.
 * It’s crazy that y’all are fighting me so hard on this. Clearly no appreciation for history here. This article has been written with facts from a neutral point of view, so do your research! I have spent hours researching these phones, which is probably a lot more than y’all have. I definitely won’t be using Wikipedia in the future. This has been an utterly terrible experience.

80sCompaqPC (talk) 06:50, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It isn't that the details are not a useful addition to the project, it's that it doesn't seem to pass the threshold for notability in its own right. That's why I suggest that it would make a good addition to the Motorola Bag Phone article which deals with this topic as a whole. Shritwod (talk) 10:37, 8 December 2019 (UTC)


 * If we can merge it, I suppose that would be okay. There needs to be some decent info out there on these phones.

80sCompaqPC (80sCompaqPC) —Preceding undated comment added 10:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC)


 * There's a lot of WP:ILIKEIT and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS in this keep !vote. What I don't see is an argument which follows our policies of WP:GNG.

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge - looking at the references I see that it appears to be a version of the Motorola 4500X which is covered under Motorola Bag Phone. I suggest that this material may make a useful addition to that article, it may also be that some of those "Bag Phones" are notable enough to be spun out into their own articles. Shritwod (talk) 07:37, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:37, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Cannot find any significant coverage to demonstrate notability. -- Darth Mike (talk) 14:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The Tough Talker was a very popular phone back in the day. Also, find a “trusted” source to cite that tells what member of the DynaTAC family the Motorola America Series 820 bag phone was based on. I know the answer to it, but I won’t be able to find a place that will satisfy y’all to cite it from. I’ve have been researching vintage Motorola cellphones for a decade now, so I know a little bit about them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80sCompaqPC (talk • contribs) 10:47, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe you that the tough talker was a popular phone. I also believe you that significant coverage in reliable sources are hard to find and/or nonexistant. However, per our guidelines, every article MUST pass our general notability guidelines or a subject-specific guideline (which this wouldn't fall under). -- Darth Mike (talk) 18:31, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails notability due to lack of significant coverage. We don't relax our sourcing standards for topics that fail to meet notability requirements, regardless of how popular they may be. –dlthewave ☎ 22:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Notability is not demonstrated due to lack of coverage. ~ riley  ( talk  ) 23:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


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