Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Motorsport Scooters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 22:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Motorsport Scooters

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Fails the primary criteria of Notability (organizations and companies) "A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject." There are not any independent sources that take Motorsport Scooters as their subject.

The article claims that the subject is well known, but there is no citation to verify this claim. The only two mentions in the media are trivial and incidental:
 * The subject of this news report is the increase in scooter sales due to the desire to save on gas. Motorsport Scooters is only mentioned as a source for some sales figures.  Nothing in the news report gives reason to think that Motorsport Scooters is notable.  Also, none of the facts in the article are can be sourced to the MSNBC report.
 * This news article is basically the same. A single sentence mentions Motorsport Scooters, again as a source for some sales figures.  Several other non-notable dealerships are also mentioned in passing in the article.  But the subject of the article is the popularity of scooters, not Motorsport Scooters.

If an editor were to sit down and try clean up the Motorsport Scooters article by deleting every statement that can't be verified by an independent reliable source, there would be nothing left but a blank page, with the possible exception of the fact that the dealership supported a charity event, although the charity is not independent -- they received compensation from the subject of the article in exchange for good publicity.

It might be worth considering to delete Motorsport Scooters and create a page Scooter Toy Run, except that has received no coverage either. By the way, the primary author of Motorsport Scooters has been upfront about who they are and I don't believe that there has been any egregious violation of Conflict of interest. Dbratland (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * support deletion per explaination above. Prince Waters (talk page) 22:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this company. Joe Chill (talk) 22:16, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * After reading it again, it clearly was not neutral. I took out everything that could be considered biased or opinionated. The main reason for the creation of this page was to discuss there community involvement in the neighborhood of North Park, San Diego. If this is something that should be held off until they become more well known, then I understand completely and it should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MoonMediaAaron (talk • contribs) 22:25, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I could combine "Motorsport Scooters" and the "Scooter Toy Run" into one page. MoonMediaAaron (talk) 23:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. It wasn't/isn't neutral, but it's also lacking reliable sources to establish notability too. I'll happily withdraw my AFD !vote if you can fix that before the AFD is over. tedder (talk) 05:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I wasn't aware of the stub templates. When I was learning how to write an article, I read that the subject needed to be notable, so I focused on there community involvement. I think turning it into a stub is a much better fit. And when the "Scooter Toy Run" receives more notoriety, I will create an article for it. MoonMediaAaron (talk) 05:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Stubbing is fantastic, but it needs reliable sources (books/articles about it, for instance). tedder (talk) 05:49, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I Added references to their website. The first reference, is a link to the home page, where the items they sell are made perfectly clear. The second reference is to the "About Us / History" page, written by their in-house content writer, Erik Aker. I developed their website, but they have complete control over the content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MoonMediaAaron (talk • contribs) 07:34, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The real issue remains unresolved: there are no independent sources that establish notability.  --Dbratland (talk) 17:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I Noticed other companies with Stubs and I thought any company could have one. But again, if that is not the case, then I guess there is nothing I can do. MoonMediaAaron (talk) 17:38, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, could this be a random website that talks about Motorsport Scooters? MoonMediaAaron (talk) 17:42, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I found an article on Lambretta.net with a picture that has "Alex Cohn" and other dealers from around North America and it says: "The Vegas rally brought about a gathering of some of North America's best known scooter dealers - left to right: Alex MacKenzie of Casa Lambretta USA, Guillermo Alfaro of Lambretta Works, Inc., Barry Gwin of San Francisco Scooter Centre, Gene Meredith of Scooters Originali in New Jersey, Alex Cohn of Motorsport Scooters in San Diego, and Vince Mross of Lambretta Works, Inc." Is this what you are talking about? MoonMediaAaron (talk) 17:55, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Is lambretta.net known for being a reliable source? Please read WP:V and WP:RS to understand what we are looking for. If, for instance, the New York Times wrote an in-depth article about Mtoorsport Scooters, that would help. If they have nontrivial mentions in a few books, that would help. Ultimately, Wikipedia is not the yellow pages. tedder (talk) 18:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The only thing I can find is an article in San Diego City Beat named "2003 Best Of". Located here San Diego City Beat. So I guess Motorsport Scooters does not qualify right now. But they are having there 2nd annual "Scooter Toy Run" on Dec. 13th and should hopefully receive some press coverage. Thank you guys for your help and feedback and I am sorry to waste your time. MoonMediaAaron (talk) 19:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, MoonMediaAaron. If you remind me on my user page, after the AFD closes I can move the article to your personal space so you can continue to work on it (such as at User:MoonMediaAaron/Motorsport Scooters). tedder (talk) 19:23, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you think this might be sufficient? KUSI News Video About Motorsport Scooters & Scooter Toy Run     75.60.95.57 (talk) 11:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
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