Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Motu Hafoka


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The result was keep. Sarahj2107 (talk) 12:22, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Motu Hafoka

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Subject does not appear to qualify as notable according to WP:SPORTCRIT, WP:FOOTBALL, WP:BIO, or WP:GNG. Only citation looks to be WP:TRIVIAL and/ or WP:ROUTINE coverage. Multiple, independent, reliable, secondary, non-trivial sources are lacking. Attempts to locate them only point back to this article. KDS 4444 Talk  23:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:29, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:29, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep - has represented his nation at international level, meets WP:NFOOTBALL. Needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 17:39, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Here we disagree. WP:NFOOTBALL states that a player is presumed notable if he has played at the national level— this gives editors an easy way to quickly assess if a given player is likely to be notable.  This is a rebuttable presumption. I have checked: presumptions aside, there is no actual evidence of notability here.  Playing on a national team means you probably got enough attention to qualify as notable.  But if, after checking this, an editor cannot find evidence of this notability, then the article should be deleted regardless of the player's level of participation.   KDS 4444  Talk  14:40, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:NFOOTBALL has played for the Country at the International level.per this.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:08, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * (You aren't listening to me— please see above. WP:NFOOTBALL is a guideline for quick assessment, but it does not trump Wikipedia's notability requirements which this article does not appear to meet.) KDS 4444  Talk  12:35, 23 April 2015 (UTC))


 * Keep International footballer. Deleting would represent WP:BIAS. Also got international media attention with his death . Nfitz (talk) 02:25, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * English is one of the national languages of Samoa, but the Samoa News and the Samoa Observer, two Samoan newspapers, do not seem to mention him anywhere in their archives. Neither does the Samoa Times.  His New Zealand death notice (which says nothing more than that he died, apparently of suicide) might be the 1E of a WP:BLP1E; sometimes "not notable" isn't WP:BIAS, it is just "not notable."   KDS 4444  Talk  22:53, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps your not searching the right sources. Neither seem to have as much older news than newer news. It seems inconceivable that local media wouldn't have reported when international media did. Looking in other Samoan sources and Oceanian sources  does find further information. Nfitz (talk) 14:28, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
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