Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Motusbank


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Meridian Credit Union.  Sandstein  09:11, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Motusbank

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Not seeing what makes it pass WP:NORG. Let me stress that not all banks are notable, they have to meet the same criteria as other businesses, and small, new bank start ups don't get any preferential treatment. Recently User:Dmehus tried to merge this to Meridian_Credit_Union but was reverted. I think that was a good decision, because this doesn't meet a standalone notability criteria, IMHO. So, delete (or merge, perhaps)? Let's discuss. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:25, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Article does not meet notability criteria. It hasn't received significant coverage from multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. In order to be considered notable, an article has to be covered by a source that matches all five criteria. One source only gives a passing mention, and another is connected to the article's subject. Hei314 (talk) 06:14, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:33, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:34, 6 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - Canadian Schedule I bank. Me-123567-Me (talk) 22:52, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Schedule I Canadian bank or not does not necessarily mean it is deserving of a standalone article. Many Schedule I and II banks do not yet have Wikipedia pages, or have had their pages deleted or merged due to their being permastubs. Doug Mehus (talk) 18:49, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge into Meridian Credit Union, on the basis that it's an MCU subsidiary for online banking. The Schedule I argument is weak, as the difference between Schedule I and II is whether or not the company has foreign ownership, and is not indicative of notability.  PK  T (alk)  00:02, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your thoughtful commentary. This was largely my basis for merging this article into Meridian Credit Union since that article is already a stub-class article and adding a brief paragraph or two to that article in a section on its banking subsidiary would greatly improve that article. It doesn't make sense for me to have two stub-class articles. Interestingly, recommended merging CTBC Bank (Canada) with the parent company article CTBC Bank when I proposed the subsidiary's article for deletion. Seeing no objection, he performed a non-admin closure. A similar scenario is at play here. Doug Mehus (talk) 18:54, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge as suggested. Unlike most financial institutions, it was difficult to find financial data, but I found it, and added it. The bank despite its claims, operates only in Alberta, and has only about $54 million capital.  DGG ( talk ) 09:35, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Astute observation. I noticed that as well (their only real estate lending is in the province of Alberta, and it's modest, at best). There's also continued speculation in myriad Internet forums that Motus Bank may end up ultimately dissolving and merging into a virtual branch of Meridian Credit Union if its growth trajectory doesn't meet management's expectations vis-a-vis profitability or unprofitability (as is currently the case). Doug Mehus (talk) 18:58, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I hadn't noticed that it was mostly operating in Alberta. Thank you for bring that to our attention. Kind of odd behaviour for a bank owned by an Ontario credit union, but this is about deleting not the bank itself. Thank you for bringing it up. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:08, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete or Merge with Meridian Credit Union. Thank you,, for proposing this merger or deletion, either of which I'd favour. In fact, per WP:BRD, I merged this page into Meridian Credit Union as it seemed to be becoming a permastub. Meridian Credit Union, in fact, is a stub-class article in itself, so merging the two pages made sense. However, , as the Motusbank page creator is arguably conflicted as he wrote on my User talk space in a derogatory manner, suggesting I merged the article in bad faith and that he was reverting the merger in accordance with WP:BRD. In actuality, he should've proposed a discussion to see whether an un-merging was desirable. Doug Mehus (talk) 18:45, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * - You never proposed a discussion over merging it, so why would I propose a discusison over unmerging it? If you go to WP:MERGE the policy is to discuss mergers not unmergers. So you did violate policy. I looked for the start of a merge thread on the talk pages of both articles and found none. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:02, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * - Per WP:BRD, I made a bold move to merge the permastub article Motus Bank as I didn't think it would be potentially controversial as an article that essentially consisted of 2-5 sentences, much of it duplicated already in Meridian Credit Union. It is okay that you contested my merger, but where you erred was after undoing the merger, you should've proposed this discussion. I thank for proposing this discussion nonetheless as it's an important one to have. Fundamentally, the problem I had, though, is you broke one of the cardinal rules on Wikipedia where you assumed I merged the page in bad faith. Always assume good faith, no? ;) Doug Mehus (talk) 19:08, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * IF you were a newer user I would have given you a pass, but you've been here as long as I have so you certainly know the rules or know where to find them if you forget. Howver, in the spirit of good faith, I apologize. I should have presumed good faith. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:18, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I have been a Wikipedia user for about 17 years or so (my userID is five digits, I think), but in fairness, I do go in and out of Wikipedia editing binges and may not be familiar with all the rules. I've skimmed through some of the key ones now, namely around page moves, NPOV, and Notability, but will try and read through them more thoroughly. As far as good faith, I always try and assume good faith regardless of the user's length of service, so long as they don't repeatedly undo my edits. I appreciate, and accept, your apology. Glad that we made nice. Doug Mehus (talk) 19:23, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge into Meridian Credit Union as per the arguments above.  HighKing++ 11:23, 10 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.