Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mouth of Sauron


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The result was redirect to The Return of the King. Tone 09:26, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Mouth of Sauron

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I know The Lord of the Rings is a popular book, but "The Mouth of Sauron" only appears on one page of that thousand-page epic. He is simply not significant. Just to pre-empt arguments: this is about him being an important fictional character; not whether the Lieutenant of Barad-dur is notable in Tolkien's imaginary world. Of the sources cited, Bilbo's Birthday and Frodo's Adventure of Faith is a Christian homily, not a work of scholarship. The author mentions the Mouth briefly, bracketing him with Saruman. Timmons and Shippey only mention him in a sentence, while commenting on Gandalf. Russell has one page discussing his costume in the movie. The character was cut from the theatrical version of Jackson's Return of the King. These are not substantial references. The Return of the King page adequately summarises the Mouth's role in the story. There is no justification for this page. Jack Upland (talk) 07:24, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails NFICTION/GNG. Too minor to have his own article. Possible soft delete by redirect to some list of LoTR characters, but I am questioning the value of list of minor stuff that will eventually get axed anyway. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:03, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect/Merge to List of Númenóreans as the character is described as a Black Numenorean. In answer to the above-raised point about the value of such a list, it is because the list-topic may be notable on the basis of references found for this subject but not the individual topic. Additionally, WP:PRESERVE is pretty core editing policy. FOARP (talk) 10:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Despite his important sounding name, the character is actually extremely minor in the books. As mentioned by the nominator, he appears for what is essentially one page in the books, and was even cut from the original theatrical version of the films. Searching for sources comes up with plenty of hits, but these are pretty much just recaps of his very brief role.  If this were to be redirected anywhere, however, I would suggest The_Return_of_the_King, where his brief appearance in the book is covered in the plot summary.  Rorshacma (talk) 16:34, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Return of the King He has a minor role in The Return of the King. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 21:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Return of the King. Goustien (talk) 00:41, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Return of the King. There's not enough stand-alone on the character, and he plays only a very small role in the books.  Not enough to have an article, and there's not really anything to merge. Hog Farm (talk) 03:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Return of the King per the above. Aoba47 (talk) 17:28, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fantasy-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:34, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep or Merge to List of Númenóreans. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:50, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


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