Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mr. McMahon


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was REDIRECT to Vince McMahon. There is not a consensus here to delete, but it seems the creation of this standalone article is at odds with relevant off-AfD discussion. I'm therefore going to leave behind a harmless redirect; if any of those advocating merging wish to do this themselves, they are free so to do. -Splash - tk 23:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Mr. McMahon

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The following lists include reasons why this page should be deleted. "Articles that breach Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons", specifically "No original research (NOR)" as the page is a copy/paste of part of the article for Vince McMahon, and thus is a plagarization of the works of others. It also fails redundancy as the information on this page is contained entirely within another page. Smokachu 19:36, 15 September 2012
 * Delete for redundancy. If anything notable (not the week-by-week details) is missing from Vince McMahon, merge. Every other wrestler/wrestling performer has his/her wrestling career info in a clearly defined section of their article, as McMahon did till it was recently and unilaterally moved (see discussion). Standard practice. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete This issue was discussed at length, and I cannot state anything better than the Inedible Hulk did.  Kjscotte34 (talk) 11:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep There are other situations where an actual person with a fictional alter-ego has two pages. (See Stephen Colbert and his The Colbert Report alter-ego.) I divided it over length of the Vince McMahon page. Wikipedia really needs to have some consistent guidelines on how to handle such pages. Jgera5 (talk)=
 * Is there another wrestler with two pages? No. Does each of the 2,000+ existing articles leave room for biographical information and filthy fake lies? Yes. So we have consistent, consensus-backed practice. If you'd like to translate it into a written guideline, that can be arranged. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia DOES have consistent guidelines on such topics. But one has to take the time to read these guidelines. For example among the many reasons to create a new page you will never see listed "If a page is too long, create a second one". If that's your only rationale behind keeping this page, then perhaps you should look into the other guidelines wikipedia has towards page content, and cut down the cumbersome page. Vince McMahon's main page can be chopped down a lot in wording alone, without removing any information at all. And then on top of that there's a plethora of things that can be removed, like detailing of the "kiss my A club" (which deserves a sentence or 2 tops not a full page). Comparing this to Stephen Colbert is completely irrelevant. Once again I feel the need to point out, Vince McMahon is not an actor. He is the CEO of a company who plays a distinct role on his show as himself. He has never even remotely pretended to be anyone but Vince McMahon, and he's sold every second of it as it's real. He never broke kayfabe. Stephen Colbert IS an actor. The Rev. Sir Dr. Stephen T. Mos Def Colbert, D.F.A., Heavyweight Champion of the World is a character he portrays. Both are distinct different entities. The television character is a heavily fictionalized satirical man, and a completely different man than the man who, for example, did an episode of Whose Line is it Anyway? Both have achieved notoriety to the point where they exist, successfully, independent of each other. But since you're still using that as the model even though it's been pointed out several times that's not the right model to use, use it as a WHOLE model. Compare this page to that one. You certainly won't find several thousand identical words in both pages I assure you that.Smokachu 17:04, 21 September 2012


 * Keep If Colbert gets two, McMahon should as well. Kris (talk) 05:34, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This AFD was neither properly formatted nor listed. I fixed both, and the seven day clock should start now.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:55, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:55, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Both Vince McMahon (the businessman) and Mr. McMahon (the character) have clearly established notability, as demonstrated by the sourcing. Obviously, this should not be seen as a precedent to split the articles of every professional wrestler, but it is fitting in this case. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:36, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Vince McMahon. The "Mr" article is redundant, all the info is already in "Vince". Colbert is not a pro wrestler, so I'm not sure why he's a valid example. Starship.paint (talk) 07:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Prior to Mr. McMahon, he portrayed the role of the promotion's television announcer, in which he was presented separate from his role in running the company. For a period of time, the two never intersected due to the lack of mainstream attention/publicity the company enjoyed.  Should this announcing role be considered a separate character worthy of its own article?  My measuring stick is that we have a single article entitled Alice Cooper, rather than separate articles for Alice Cooper (the band), Alice Cooper (the character) and Vincent Furnier (the real person).  Unless you believe that once again, I'm babbling about ancient history that couldn't possibly be as important or relevant than Stephen Colbert. RadioKAOS  –&#32; Talk to me, Billy  11:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point, oldtimer. Babyface play-by-play/interviewer McMahon is neither the "real guy" nor the "evil boss". If split, which article (if either) would contain this info? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:55, 2 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.