Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mr. Tararam


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The result was   delete. per clear consensus JForget  22:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Mr. Tararam

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Bio on author with no sources, and doesn't even list works this "famous" author wrote. I would have said A7, but it included the word "famous" at the start. Rob (talk) 15:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 15:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I searched for him and cannot find anything about him. No reliable sources are provided to secure notability. It might even be a hoax for all I know. A7 probably should have been applied here. Mgmvegas (talk) 16:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Notability not asserted, lacks references. The cryptic title might be to blame but I'm not finding any references on it RadioFan (talk) 16:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete A Worldcat search for author Tararam brings up 11 books, all Brazilian, apparently on crustacean biology. Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 17:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - it does not even identify who this Mister is. Bearian (talk) 13:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm concerned that WP:BEFORE was not followed. The editor who created this page needs to be made aware of WP:BURDEN and WP:PEOPLE. It's a new editor, no need to WP:BITE him or her. Nominating editor, I would strongly encourage you to immediately withdraw the AfD and to give the editor creating this article a couple of weeks to say something. If he or she ignores you then WP:PROD. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 16:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a drive-by dump&run by a throw-away account, that dodged speedy deletion, purely by a technicality. The editor made a total of five edits in under fifteen minutes, and hasn't made any contributions since.  They'll almost certainly never return, or return under a different user name.  Nobody would read any messages on the talk page.  I fail to see how a PROD would seem any less "bitey" to a new user (who presumably wouldn't understand the distinction between the different mechanisms of deletion).  If I truly wanted to "bite" a new user, I would have accused them of blatant vandalism in this edit, where the user damaged a legitimate article, with what's borderline nonsense.  Also, AFD's do not belong to the nominator, so if there are other editors supporting deletion, I couldn't withdraw the nomination, even if I wanted to.      --Rob (talk) 00:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:BEFORE is about looking for plausible alternatives to deletion, not new user counseling. A lack of 3rd party sources after a reasonable good faith search by a number of editors seems to fullfill this sufficiently. Articles which dont meet notability guideslines simply don't meet notability guidelines whether created a seasoned veteran editor or as the editors first article.--RadioFan (talk) 01:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:BEFORE outlines a procedure which includes hatting. I posted the concern was about that the AfD was posted less than an hour after the article was created and 70 minutes after the article creator's first-ever contribution. At the time of the AfD we could not have known if this was a drive-by or a very new editor though the damage to Tararam did not look too promising. There's a possibility Mr. Tararam does exist and I see that there is an award winning "Prof. Tara Ram" who is the Director, Buddhist Studies and Research Centre, Jodhpur, Rajsthan.. Thus it appeared that welcoming the new editor with Firstarticle (Rob did this) and hatting the article with notability would have been reasonable. An AfD can be withdrawn by the nominator striking out his or own lead along with an explanation. It's no guarantee but would be one of the things the person concluding the AfD would look at. I'll update the article with notes on the book and award. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 07:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there is a Mr. Tararam. There may be notable Mr. Tararam's, just as there's notable Mr. Smith's and Mr. Jone's.  Unless you have evidence it's the same person, your research is absolutely meaningless.  This article could almost have been speedy deleted for lack of context.  You seem to think I acted with almost no time spent on researching "Tararam".  In fact, I first started researching "Tararam" back around June 17, when I wrote a mini-stub on the group Tararam.  At that time, I looked up all the uses I could find, so I would know if a disambig page was appropriate, and if any qualifier was needed in the article title.  I found very little, basically just a few minor uses, based on it apparently being a Hebrew word for hubbub or commotion.  I only got interested in the Mr. Tararam article, after Tararam was vandalized by the same editor.  The editor had the nerve to deface an article on a *real* and verifiable band, with some unsourced ramblings.  The editor only made this junk article, because I reverted their vandalism of the band article. --Rob (talk) 09:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, I saw with what the editor did to Tararam plus your work on that article. I agree that the Tararams I found may not be the same as the one the creator of the article had in mind. Consensus is already into delete and so the lack of WP:V is not a big issue at this point. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 05:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete As Marc Kupper points out, a Tara Ram/ Tararam does exist who writes about Buddhism., . However, a quick search does not locate sources that will enable us to establish notability under WP:ACADEMIC/WP:AUTHOR and write a referenced bio on the subject. So we need to delete this unreferenced and misnamed page, unless someone can find sources before this AFD closes; userification is also an option if the original creator or someone else is interested in sourcing the page and needs more time. Abecedare (talk) 08:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I gave it my best shot but would need to learn Hindi to see if he is notable. I e-mailed the web site that posted the award asking for more information. If they come back with a solid list of things that make the guy notable I'll post it if the AfD is still open otherwise would see if a Hindi/English fluent editor is willing to work on a new article. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 08:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you know of any online sources in Hindi, I can take a look to see if they are reliable and provide a summary. Abecedare (talk) 08:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you Abecedare. Unfortunately, I don't have any Hindi references at the moment. Last night I ran into one page that was mostly Hindi with a small reference to Tararam or "Tara ram" in English but I can't find that at the moment. If the www.buddhamission.org people write back with references that turn out to be in Hindi I'll run them by you on your talk page if the Mr. Tararam article has been deleted. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 19:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
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