Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mrs. Globe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  14:10, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Mrs. Globe

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Fails WP:N and WP:V and WP:RS. Several of the "sources" are broken links - did those sources ever exist? Were they credible if they ever did exist? And of the real sources, many of them are not reliable sources (Adventuresofabeautyqueen.com? Fabafterfifty.co.uk? Wordpress blogs as Wikipedia sources, really? ) or they are just local news making minimal remarks on local winners. The sports.news.am one isn't about Mrs. Globe at all. The Business Insider one isn't even about any pageant, it's about a Russian model with 1 sentence mentioning she was a former Mrs. Globe, and same with the digitalmuscle.com one where it's about a woman with a mention that she had a history of holding a variety of Mrs. Globe titles. There are dozens of beauty pageants out there and they don't all deserve a Wikipedia article just because they claimed some fancy title like "Globe". DownAndUp (talk) 03:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This should not have been nominated my friend went to the Mrs Globe event in China and told me the media coverage was like the paparazzi journalists and photographers everywhere the must have been a ton of articles back then. Herald Sun is the largest national media publication in Australia Australianblackbelt (talk) 11:12, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter what some friend says about what it was like in China. That comment alone fails WP:V and WP:RS. The question is whether there is currently enough out there about this pageant to indicate that it meets WP:N and WP:V and WP:RS. Also the Herald Sun may be a large national media publication, but 1 of the links in the sources from Herald Sun is broken and we have no way of verifying (WP:V) and the other link https://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/news/maribyrnong-woman-danielle-mcalpine-johnson-will-represent-australasia-at-mrs-globe/news-story/b92f501924b95ad6b0665122bc63de2b is written like local news about a woman competing, not going into in-depth coverage of the pageant, not in any way conferring notability. DownAndUp (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep:  25+ year old international pageant, seems to be readily notable, i can see a slew of articles about winners of feeders into the pageant.  There's no reason to assume broken links didn't ever exist, wikipedia articles usually last longer than many news links.--Milowent • hasspoken  14:21, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If we can't verify sources, that means they don't count. For an article to exist on Wikipedia, it must pass WP:N and WP:V and WP:RS. As for "readily notable", there are dozens if not hundreds of pageants out there that have existed for a couple decades and people sometimes write local articles about local winners, but that doesn't mean the pageant is notable enough to be in an Encyclopedia. DownAndUp (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * There are tons of sources on Mrs Globe did you even bother to look before trying to delete http://en.people.cn/n/2015/1125/c98649-8981624.html Australianblackbelt (talk) 06:56, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 70 countries participated in the competition how much bigger can a pageant be Australianblackbelt (talk) 07:09, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Some photos of approximately 40 Asian women in the Chinese "People's Daily", with no women from African or European countries, does not indicate that the Mrs. Globe pageant in China was significant enough for widespread coverage nor that it has women from 70 countries participating (40 Asian women is not the level of diversity we would expect from 70 countries participating). Those photos look like it might be for Mrs. China Globe, perhaps - I cannot read the Chinese markings on the sash. Where is the evidence of 70 countries participating? That looks like an unverifiable claim for false marketing, a helpful ad for Mrs. Globe but possibly false advertising. It fails WP:V if we cannot find content that demonstrate a true diversity of contestants from 70 countries. It does not confer notability to make an unverified claim that 70 countries participated - even if that's true, we need WP:RS and WP:V. DownAndUp (talk) 19:06, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Even look at the comments: "Miss average contest." "They don't look like winners on the global stage. Not enough glam factor." That's 2 of exactly 4 comments, in the strongest source you've provided so far. Not very convincing. DownAndUp (talk) 19:08, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * your argument just lost all credibility the winner was not Asian and even Uruguay attended the fact that you personally don’t believe it is pointless the evidence is there all those 70 countries have at least one article on the pageant Australianblackbelt (talk) 03:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * https://www.namibian.com.na/168990/archive-read/Thlabanello-to-compete-in-Mrs-Globe-in-China Australianblackbelt (talk) 04:44, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I did not say anything about who the winner was or whether Uruguay attended, there is nothing about what I said that makes my argument lose all credibility. What I said was that in the link you attached http://en.people.cn/n/2015/1125/c98649-8981624.html there was nothing that made it look like a notable pageant. There are only photos of 40 Asian women in that, and I can't read the sashes so it could have been Mrs. China Globe and not Mrs. Globe. Also that article you just linked about Thlabanello is more about her and less about the Mrs. Globe pageant. Literally the only thing that article says about Mrs. Globe is "Mrs Globe in Shenzen, China in December". There's no information about the pageant whatsoever. The woman may or may not be notable herself, but that article is about the woman and not the pageant. I continue to feel strongly that this Wikipedia page deserves deletion. DownAndUp (talk) 21:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Weak Keep more than enough sources showing it exists, many from Canada about the participants, Plenty from other countries . Oaktree b (talk) 20:00, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Definitely weak, based on those sources. I noted that the rationale used for the recent deletion of Articles for deletion/Mrs. International (pageant) applies in this case as well; the last 4 comments that state "Delete" are relevant here too. DownAndUp (talk) 02:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * "Since this is essentially an event run by a commercial organization, the appropriate guideline is WP:NCORP. [References] focus either on the contestants (past and present) and their "causes" or opinions or is based on PR/Announcements. Most of the references have no "Independent Content" as per WP:ORGIND as the content is provided by affiliated sources and the rest fail WP:CORPDEPTH as trivial content." "Sources provided mainly only reference the organization as existing and mostly talk about whatever contestant they're highlighting. Confirmation that it exists is not notability." DownAndUp (talk) 04:08, 11 August 2022 (UTC)


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