Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mrs. International (pageant)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Guerillero Parlez Moi 20:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Mrs. International (pageant)

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Exactly three independent sources, all minor regional media sources at best – WTVY in Dothan, Alabama, The Rogersville Review in Rogersville, Tennessee, and Grand Forks Herald – naming local contestants. No thorough coverage of the event or the organization. Fails to demonstrate notability through WP:GNG or any applicable subject specific guideline. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:19, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Beauty pageants and Virginia.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:06, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:56, 15 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 19:50, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plenty of coverage of the event, including some controversial stuff, for example:
 * https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/pageant-requires-contestants-pledge-marriage-000000811.html
 * https://www.wbaltv.com/article/yolanda-stennett-teenage-trauma-mrs-international/37384047
 * https://themagazineplus.com/2022/01/21/virginia-international-pageants-crowns-state-titleholders/
 * https://www.valleynewslive.com/2021/08/31/ndt-checking-with-ashley-rae-klinger-august-30/
 * https://www.abc4.com/news/top-stories/utah-woman-wins-mrs-international-2019/
 * https://kutv.com/features/fresh-living/mrs-utah-teen-suicide-prevention-initiative
 * https://www.pe.com/2018/09/14/hemet-beauty-queen-will-work-to-help-foster-children-during-her-time-as-mrs-international/
 * https://wvmetronews.com/2018/07/20/mrs-international-pageant-begins-tonight-in-charleston/
 * https://www.kotatv.com/content/news/Mrs-International-hails-from-Newcastle-394167681.html
 * https://jwcdaily.com/2017/11/13/crowning-moments-northbrook-hosts-international-pageant/
 * https://www.montrosepress.com/news/local-business-steps-up-for-casa/article_4787c3ea-4382-11e3-a4ce-001a4bcf887a.html
 * https://www.fstribune.com/story/1523285.html
 * https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/local/2015/10/04/mrs-california-international-pageant-palm-desert/73322842/
 * Nobody has taken the time to properly integrate sources into the article, but they're out there. Pageantsfan (talk) 19:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I suppose I should go through all of these sources one by one, but from the titles, they don't look great. For instance I did take a quick gander at "Mrs. Utah - Teen Suicide Prevention Initiative" is unsurprisingly about the Utah contestant and her teen suicide prevention initiative. Not about this pageant the notability of which we are discussing. Maybe I should throw the ball back to you and ask you which you think are the top two about the pageant. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I suppose you should do that (go through all of these sources one by one) and should have done that and updated the article's sources to improve the article before jumping to deletion. A "quick gander" at titles is not sufficient. I see the first one on the list is about the pageant with a considerable controversy. When I see a long list of articles about previous winners in a variety of news outlets, some of which are articles that discuss the pageant as well as the winners, that tells me there is also wide coverage. I have made my vote and ask that you do not harass me to change my vote. Pageantsfan (talk) 16:04, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And I suppose you could help us not to vote delete with WP:THREE. SpinningSpark 15:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Why is this page being considered for deletion? There is nothing UNTRUE written.  The list of winners can be verified via video and from the pageants' own website.  THIS PAGE SHOULD NOT BE DELETED. 108.31.192.162 (talk) 14:34, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Since this is essentially an event run by a commercial organization, the appropriate guideline is WP:NCORP. I've looked at the curated list provided by Pageantsfan above and it looks to me to focus either on the contestants (past and present) and their "causes" or opinions or is based on PR/Announcements. Most of the references have no "Independent Content" as per WP:ORGIND as the content is provided by affiliated sources and the rest fail WP:CORPDEPTH as trivial content.  HighKing++ 16:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If THIS page should be deleted then ALL pageant pages on Wiki should be deleted. Miss Universe, Miss USA, Miss America are all owned by private commercial organizations but yet no one is petitioning for those pages to be deleted.  This page SHOULD NOT BE DELETED. 108.31.192.162 (talk) 14:36, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't meet WP:NCORP, as per HighKing. MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:05, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per the rationale of Highking. WP:NCORP guideline. Miss Universe, Miss USA, Miss America pass because of SIGCOV. Lightburst (talk) 02:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as failing NCORP. Sources provided mainly only reference the organization as existing and mostly talk about whatever contestant they're highlighting. Confirmation that it exists is not notability.  Pinguinn     🐧   09:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.