Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mrs Globe Australia 2016


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete. WP:G11 slakr  \ talk / 02:34, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Mrs Globe Australia 2016

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The annual edition of the pageant did not received SIGNIFICANT coverage in MULTIPLE reliable sources. Popular pageants in Australia like Miss Universe Australia and Miss World Australia does not have annual articles (but necessary due to multiple reliable sources). There is no need for a series of redirects as the article starts with "Mrs Globe". The winners of the previous editions were already indicated in the parent article, Mrs globe australia. The content of the article was written in promotional way. Richie Campbell (talk) 14:35, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Enterprisey (talk!) 22:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Since the nomination for deletion the following reference links have beed added to credible news sources to satisfy the original WP:GNG requirements. 1.  http://falanga.com.au/makedonkata-hristina-mrs-australia-globe-2016-gostinka-na-makedonskiot-festival-vo-viliamsteon# 2. http://mountevelyn.mailcommunity.com.au/epaper/ 3. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/inner-south/hiphop-artist-chico-johnson-works-with-schools-in-melbourne-to-share-positive-message/news-story/e29bcd1f523f0edcfdda678a70e0615f  4.  http://eleutheranews.com/?p=1140 5. Link to verify existence of National print edition Newspaper The Latin Australian times https://www.facebook.com/latinaustraliantimes/photos/a.168362370239277.1073741828.154927351582779/201515620257285/?type=3&theater

As the WP:GNG have been addressed... the new issue raised now in the second attempt to delete is that the article is written in a promotional way, Every word in this article has been published in the news sources contained in the references. Lastly the importance of having the Mrs Globe Australia 2016 separate article is because of the news coverage as it is the 20th anniversary of the pageant. (Australianblackbelt (talk) 02:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC))
 * Just Added another reference to article as mentioned new news stories are still appearing http://prwire.com.au/pr/64311/former-ms-australia-s-second-chance-to-represent-at-mrs-globe-pageant-in-china (Australianblackbelt (talk) 05:37, 23 November 2016 (UTC))
 * Richie Campbell (talk) Why don't you nominate this page also for deletion which I wrote it is basically like Mrs Globe Aust 2016=>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Latin_America_2016 I wont wont try and stop you go for it be my guest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Latin_America_2016 it will be another notch on your belt. You've contributed so many years to wikipedia you deserve some satisfaction. I don't have anymore time to write wikipedia pages then spend hours arguing to have them not deleted. Good luck muchacho (Australianblackbelt (talk) 12:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC))


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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:38, 29 November 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:53, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to satisfy notability, at least it does now.  Writing style is no basis for deletion (if it was millions should be deleted).  Aoziwe (talk) 13:28, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * At Aoziwe: Did you individually check if the sources meet the definition of WP:RS? The article was nominated for deletion since No SIGNIFICANT coverage in MULTIPLE reliable sources. Most of the entries in the article are more appropriate for the parent article, Mrs Globe Australia . In addition, the winner was already indicated in the Mrs Globe Australia.  The candidates were not notable since they did not even win a notable state level pageant. Take note that the winners of state level in Miss USA pageant are being deleted for being not notable.--Richie Campbell (talk) 03:35, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I am happy to learn here if you can help. Can you help with:
 * Which sources are not reliable and why?
 * State level deletions? Why?  My benchmark is NCRICKET.  It allows one appearance at state level, that is top domestic level, even if that appearance is a complete failure.  (I do not agree with this standard but that is what it is.)  So why delete state level beauty pagent articles for the individual contestants?
 * Aoziwe (talk) 12:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * At Australianblackbelt, you can check the contributions (AfD) related to beauty pageants of editors just like John Pack Lambert,  SwisterTwister, or K.e.coffman  to enlighten you a bit about this--Richie Campbell (talk) 02:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- an unremarkable beauty pageants among many and WP:PROMO article. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:32, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- not remarkable beauty pageant and I agree, it's a WP:PROMO article.--Artchino (talk) 23:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep At Aoziwe Thank you for contributing to the discussion.
 * This source is a National print newspaper https://www.facebook.com/latinaustraliantimes/photos/a.168362370239277.1073741828.154927351582779/201515620257285/?type=3&theater
 * Several of the finalsits have beed fetured in articles form print newspapers
 * This is a National beaty pageant it is not state level and it is the 20th anniversary
 * Every word is stated in RELIABLE newspaper articles they are referenced to.(Australianblackbelt (talk) 11:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC))


 * NOTE that Australianblackbelt who voted keep above is the creator of the article.--Richie Campbell (talk) 14:18, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as I originally nominated. Take into account that information provided in passing by an otherwise reliable source that is not related to the principal topics of the publication may not be reliable; editors should cite sources focused on the topic at hand where possible. Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in the Wikipedia article, see WP:RSCONTEXT. The article MUST be deleted since the annual edition of the pageant did not received in-depth or SIGNIFICANT coverage in MULTIPLE reliable sources. The references provided by the creator of the article were synthesized below:

The first reference is not about the Mrs Australia Globe 2016 beauty pageant but mainly about the First Macedonian Festival and Mrs Australia Globe 2016 was mentioned by passing as guest and not an in-depth article about the coverage of the pageant.

The second reference is Press Release WIRE which is not a reliable source. The press release article has been removed/expired.

The third reference is about the alleged Latin Australian Times article which is a photo of the newspaper posted in Facebook where the text cannot be read. Wiki articles must contain reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Use sources that directly support the material presented in an article and are appropriate to the claims made.

The fourth reference is about Mrs Globe NOT about Mrs Globe Australia 2016.

The fifth reference is about the Non-Profit organization CheekyMac Charities held “Briland’s Be Your Best Talent Quest”. Totally no mention about the subject of the article and not a coverage of Mrs Globe Australia 2016.

The sixth reference is about the Hip-hop artist Chico Johnson who works with schools in Melbourne to share positive message. Not a coverage of Mrs Globe Australia 2016 beauty pageant.

The seventh reference is a community ePaper - Mt Evelyn Mail - 13th December 2016. The creator of the Mrs Globe Australia 2016 article specified in the cited reference that it’s on the front page titled “Dominating the Globe", but nowhere to be found. The front page talked about the “Equal View of Life”. I checked the search engine of the ePaper with the title cited but it says “Sorry, but the requested resource was not found on this site.”

The eighth reference is not a reliable source whose content is largely user-generated. Nevertheless, the article is about “Mrs UK Globe Classic” not a coverage of the Mrs Australia 2016 beauty pageant.

The ninth reference titled "Not with those boobs,darl!" is a promotional magazine. Anyway, it’s not coverage about the Mrs Globe Australia 2016 beauty pageant. Try looking at the link here: http://www.take5mag.com.au/

The tenth and eleventh references were about another pageant called, Mrs Globe Classic (NOT about Mrs Globe Australia 2016) which is another pageant of the same organizer and was also created by the Australianblackbelt. The Mrs Globe Classic was deleted via AfD consensus.--Richie Campbell (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2016 (UTC) This reference was not mentioned in his critique: http://www.starweekly.com.au/lifestyle/from-behind-the-lense-a-real-beauty/ (Australianblackbelt (talk) 02:39, 13 December 2016 (UTC))
 * NOTE that Richie Campbell has attempted to falsley acuse me of being a sockpuppet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Duckgo111#Suspected_sockpuppets
 * I have noted this reference above (fourth reference). However the article talks more about the Mrs Globe pageant, then Ms Lucia Hou who recently won the people’s choice award at the Mrs Globe Australia pageant (did not win the the main title) and she also won Mrs Coral Sea. This reference is more appropriate for Mrs Globe or may be used for Mrs Globe Australia.--Richie Campbell (talk) 04:33, 13 December 2016 (UTC)


 * NOTE The journalist that wrote the article has been contacted through facebook and she has gladly posted it on the Latin Australian Times Facebook Page so Ritchie can see it and read it for himself. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1181809865271749&set=o.154927351582779&type=3&theater (Australianblackbelt (talk) 04:41, 13 December 2016 (UTC))
 * If the article is posted directly in the Latin Australian Times website, the article may be used as a source for the parent article, Mrs Globe Australia which is a weak wiki article.--Richie Campbell (talk) 04:55, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * A National newspaper which is print may be used as a source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Offline_sources Wikipedia's reliable sources guideline states that articles should be sourced with reliable, third-party, published sources. Even though Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, there is no distinction between using online versus offline sources.(Australianblackbelt (talk) 09:47, 13 December 2016 (UTC))
 * This is an English Wikipedia, you can provide translation of the content of the article with verification that it was accurately translated (e.g., google translate) then you can use the article as source for the parent article, Mrs Globe Australia since the parent article lacks third party reliable sources and with questionable notability. Based on the analysis above the Mrs Globe Australia 2016 is not a significant annual edition of the pageant (see sources synthesized). If it is significant why is it very, very hard to find MULTIPLE reliable sources with in-depth sources. Take a look at Miss USA 2016, or even Miss Universe 2016 which has not happened yet but there are MULTIPLE (hundreds) of third party reliable sources or even Miss Earth 2016 article which has a lot of fancrufts but you can find many reliable sources through google searches. In addition you statement above that "the importance of having the Mrs Globe Australia 2016 separate article is because of the news coverage as it is the 20th anniversary of the pageant" is clearly promotional in nature.--Richie Campbell (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Google translate? seriously? now I know you taking the piss Ritchie... I am fluent in Spanish I do a much better job than Google SwisterTwister  has review my Spanish work before(Australianblackbelt (talk) 03:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)) Another reference http://www.theindiansun.com.au/pareena-the-face-of-ms-australia-globe/ (Australianblackbelt (talk) 05:12, 19 December 2016 (UTC))


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