Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mt Gravatt Hawks Soccer Club


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure)  TheSpecialUser TSU 15:44, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Mt Gravatt Hawks Soccer Club

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Fails WP:NSPORT. Never played in A-League, a fully professional league according to WikiProject Football. TYelliot &#124;  Talk  &#124;  Contribs  11:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:27, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:27, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
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 * Comment. The fully professional rule only applies to players, clubs have a much lower threshold. Not sure about this one, Mt Gravatt plays in the Brisbane Premier League, which as far as I can figure is the second highest level of soccer in Queensland. Worth noting that most other BPL teams have articles. Google news shows only passing mentions, but gnews is notoriously poor for finding coverage from Australia newspapers. Would like to see what anyone with Newsbank access could find. Jenks24 (talk) 11:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Moving to keep due to LO's evidence that Mt Gravatt has played at the top level in Queensland. I believe that is an appropriate assumption of notability and if someone had access to databses such as NewsBank then significant coverage would be found. Jenks24 (talk) 09:11, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. This brief article does not do justice to this club with reference to History of association football in Brisbane, Queensland and the Mt Gravatt club's achievement in winning four (and runners-up in the other) of the first five premierships of the 1980s. It appears that this included winning a Queensland-wide State League competition in the early 1980s.


 * "The early 1980s of the State League and Brisbane competitions were dominated by the relatively young Mt Gravatt club (established in 1960) winning four (and runners-up in the other) of the first five premierships of this decade." source League Octopus (League Octopus 12:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC))


 * Redirect to History of association football in Brisbane, Queensland - no evidence of independent notability. GiantSnowman 15:00, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Australia - List of Regional Champions - RSSSF - refer Queensland 1981. League Octopus (League Octopus 21:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC))
 * Other useful links:
 * Queensland Premier League Champions
 * Mount Gravatt Divisional History
 * 1998 Queensland Premier League
 * 1999 Queensland Premier League
 * 2002 Queensland Premier League
 * 2003 Queensland Division 1
 * 2004 Queensland Division 1
 * 1980 national league cup (Round 1)
 * 1981 national league cup (Round 1)
 * Australia v Mount Gravatt (1997 Olympic team friendly) League Octopus (League Octopus 11:40, 2 September 2012 (UTC))
 * I am not sure how many AfDs there has been for Australian soccer teams. I am familiar with Articles for deletion/Padres FC, Articles for deletion/Darwin Dragons SC and Articles for deletion/Port Darwin FC and in my view Mount Gravatt are in another class having won a top regional league in 1981. Their 2011 Brisbane League results were listed in Soccerway before the club's subsequent relegation at the end of that season. The Brisbane Premier League is third tier in the Australian soccer league system but Mount Gravatt were playing second tier football as recently as 2002. Research of newspapers in local libraries is certainly likley to turn up interesting evidence and I am particularly intrigued that the club was considered strong enough to face the Australian Olympics team in 1997 - a match in which Mount Gravatt went down 2-1. League Octopus (League Octopus 16:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC))


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wily D 08:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

 Keep - the list of fully pro league refers to notability of footballers, not football club. The threshold is much lower for football clubs, and this one should be kept per League Octopus' research. Mentoz86 (talk) 18:34, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep – it appears that the club has appeared at the top level of Queensland football, which should probably confer automatic notability. – Kosm  1  fent  14:05, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
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