Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muck Sticky


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No need to relist this debate. The question whether to merge the information or to keep this article in its current form can be discussed on the relevant talk page(s) but there is no consensus to delete this article, so further discussion here is not required. Regards  So Why  20:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Muck Sticky

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not significant, admitted copyright violation (pasted and copied from a commercial site), not notable etc etc Rasputin72 (talk) 05:15, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. See WP:BEFORE.  Google news turns up reliable sources that review his music, discuss his shows on MTV, etc. etc.  The article itself is pretty shitty, but the subject appears notable enough.  There's enough out there to support notability and to reference to turn this into a good article.  -- Jayron  32  05:31, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment/Alert. User Jayron's adamant "keep" posture probably does not spring from the worthiness of the article topic itself (which is limited), but is more a function of Jayron's hostile attitude toward me, as the nominator.  Evidenced by his snide and hostile comment he left me on another page where he remarks in his edit summary that yes, "I am an asshole.".  Please take his motivations into account, as they are plain. Rasputin72 (talk) 23:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Speedy delete Blatant copyright violation. Delete this and re-create with acceptable content, 99.12.243.20 (talk) 06:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks for deleting copyright violation, Jayron 99.12.243.20 (talk) 06:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Copyvio was added very recently. The copyvio text was not there when this article was nominated, and it was removed shortly after it was added. Please re-read the article and re-evaluate, and please also see the Google News search I provided above. As I noted, the article is a total piece of shit as written now, but the subject itself appears to meet baseline notability requirements.  Since deletion is not a cleanup method, I am not sure that deletion is the answer here.  You are of course free to think that the sources cited above are not enough to establish notability...  -- Jayron  32  06:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Thanks for the explanation--I've struck the speedy vote above. I don't think the results of the news search are impressive. There are recurrent mentions in the Memphis Commercial Appeal, but usually as a bit of local color, and they appear to be glancing references. Likewise, the reviews I found are usually included among others. Perhaps I missed them, but are there any articles from reliable sources solely about him? Must be, as stated in WP:MUSIC, the subject of multiple non-trivial published work. 99.12.243.20 (talk) 06:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, he has been featured extensively in the MTV.com online series $5 Cover, so its not JUST local newspapers that have noticed him; MTV has deemed him worthy enough to give him a prominent role in its online content. I am also seeing enough in a regular Google search to indicate that he's a well-enough known artist around the web.  The MTV cites plus the sheer volume of stuff out there indicates that there's likely to be sources one could use.  If you dig enough, you can find notable publications that review his work, such as High Times: .  The signal-to-noise ratio for reliable sources is low, but only because the NOISE (i.e. the number and magnitude of "unreliable" sources")  is so high here.  An artist with this large of a web footprint is bound to have been noticed by someone that could be considered reliable, its just a matter of weeding through the crap, which is sizable.  -- Jayron  32  06:53, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — J04n(talk page) 10:43, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral Unsure still, though edging toward keep. Can other people help with removing the huge amounts of junk in this article? --Dweller (talk) 10:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral, leaning keep I decided to do some substantial editting to the article, trimming the discography section down to just titles, and added two refs, one from the Boston Globe and the other from the Memphis Flyer. I also included his presence on the MTV show "$5 Cover", which arguably is his greatest claim to fame. Other than the Boston Globe article, the only other mentions of him are in local Memphis publications, with no other (as far as I can see) national publications. All of his albums are self-published. Still, he is more notable than a lot of artists that attempt to have WP articles, so that's why I did some editting, and will let the community decide what to do with the article. Angryapathy (talk) 15:10, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.)" MTV's $5_cover... Shane198three 04:05, 6 January 2010 (UTC) * Keep The television appearances alone ought to satisfy notability guidelines. Jayron, can you download your rendition of 'Teen Spirit'? 99.12.243.20 (talk) 04:58, 6 January 2010 (UTC) Another Comment I have done some more work to the article. I have removed the Early Life and television sections because according to WP:V "All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." These sections made some exceptional claims that are not backed up by reliable sources. If there are any questions or comments regarding the article, feel free to continue the discussion on the Talk page of the article. Angryapathy (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I am the one who created this article... Though there might not be a whole lot of information on this person, he is still an artist. There are references on both this article and on the discussion board for this article, Articles start off small and grow to be large, they do not just grow over night, I believe this page will continue to grow as he becomes more and more known as an artist. I heard about this artist on the internet, heard his music, seen his music videos. Everyone starts somewhere, either you start in a garage or a studio. This artist is growing, and quickly. You can vote to delete it, but I would ask you to consider keeping this article, as it is of an artist, he is known... Deleting this article would be like deleting Kurt Cobains article... another artist, just more known... Thank you 01:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shane198three (talk • contribs)
 * No, deleting it would not be like deleting Kurt Cobain's article. Existance is not the minimum requirement for an article at Wikipedia, so please read up on our policies and guidelines rather than making yourself look uninformed by making such claims.  The relevent reading in this case is Notability.  I play guitar too, like Kurt Cobain.  I can even play a passable rendition of Smells Like Teen Spirit!  Should there be an article about me at Wikipedia?  (the answer to THAT question is located at Notability). -- Jayron  32  03:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * "#10 on Notability_(music)
 * Preaching to the choir, dude. I voted keep above.  That doesn't mean you shouldn't familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines... -- Jayron  32  04:07, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If I do, can I move my userpage to the article space? -- Jayron  32  05:32, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Depends on how well you play the bridge. There must be a Wikipedia guideline covering that somewhere.... 99.12.243.20 (talk) 05:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, in that case, not so much. But I can play the rhythm part at the beginning real well.  F-B-G#-C#.  Rinse repeat.  Oh, and that little octave-F thing he does after each line of the verses.  -- Jayron  32  05:42, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

So, how are we looking now? We have had alot of the information removed, there is a list of references on the discussion page... I am just curious as we still have the tags on the page for "Deletion", "References", and "Citations". Thanks. Shane198three (talk) 21:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment and hopefully my last: I've struck my latest opinion. This ought to reflect the mercurial business of this odd article, with unsourced claims that come and go, and a preponderance of references to blogs and the subject's website. Color me neutral and out of here. 99.12.243.20 (talk) 21:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * comment I give up, every time I add something it gets shot down... There aspiring artists on here that aren't anymore notable then Muck Sticky, but their pages are up... I am not Muck Sticky, I am Shane Blume... I feel that he is notable enough to be on here. If you are going to vote for the delete then make sure you look up everything you can on him before you vote... There are plenty of references on the discussion page... Go look for yourself... LA Times, High Times, MTV, AOL, etc. You have permission to post anything from his OFFICIAL website given by Muck Sticky, if you want to be sure you can contact him via the website, his email address is located there, I will not post it here as it will get deleted... As for if the page stays up, please notify me via email, my email address is located on my contact page, also not located on here because it will get removed... Thanks for all your time... I am going back to just browsing Wiki, I will not edit anymore...

Special Thanks to: Angryapathy, Jayron32 and Rasputin72 For the time and effort you put into this article to make it worthy of Wikipedia.

Peace Out, Shane Blume Shane198three (talk) 00:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

And a note to Shane: Wikipedia policy is very confusing at first. I think you can be a great editor, but you should take some time to read over the five pillars of Wikipedia and ask questions. It takes a while to get the hang of it, and it's OK to make mistakes. Even veteran editors don't know all guidelines and policies. Please don't be discouraged by this. We all have to start somewhere. Angryapathy (talk) 16:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * While I believe notability has been established through the Boston Globe, the MTV series, and a host of other mentions to the artist, and that the consensus seems to be keep thus far, I will iterate the changes to the article for any new people coming to this AfD. While Shane is not well-versed in WP policy, he has done a great job providing links that have been used in the article. All info on the article is from Allmusic, the Boston Globe, or MTV.com, and none is from unreliable sources. While the article is of course not perfect, I think it reflects the artist well, and abides by WP policy.

Keep. Significance of the artist demonstrated by the multiple sources in which he is written. The Boston Globe is a very reputable newspaper. I also saw Muck Sticky mentioned on "Fox and Friends" on Fox News last week. WordupBrah (talk) 17:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC) Striking comment by blocked sockpuppet (of the same blocked user who started this AFD). NawlinWiki (talk) 20:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge to $5 Cover. All of the sources and everything I could find have him only notable in the context of the "show", ergo, he should be in the shows article. Also, relist this, please. --CastAStone//₵₳$↑₳₴₮ʘ№€ 05:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.