Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muhammad Khair Al Shaal


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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:46, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Muhammad Khair Al Shaal

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Notability is not inherited from the available references. Moved multiple times into the draft (Draft:Muhammad Khair Al Shaal). You must follow the advise that is commented by Faddle. MickyShy (talk) 15:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. MickyShy (talk) 15:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment @MickyShy Before I comment on the deletion discussion it might be helpful to link to whatever advice I may have given. Where did I offer this advice, please? Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 17:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I imagine it was my AFC decline, on the creating editor's talk page. I have reflected that in my !vote below Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 17:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Fiddle, Yes, i found your comment here. MickyShy (talk) 05:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: There is a notability issue here. The subject has definitely written books, but neither Goodreads nor https://www.noor-book.com are WP:RS. This means that the only reference that might qualify is www.raffy.me which is a site that requires more thought. All I can find on its home page is a quite by Neil Gaiman. This means that we have no references that are about the subject and are independent of the subject and are in muktioke independent sources and are reliable sources. A WP:BEFORE finds me nothing useful about the subject. Thus, unless suitable references can be found and added to the article, the subject fails WP:BIO Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 17:22, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: This appears to be a copy and paste move to draft space of Draft:Muhammad Khair Al Shaal. On that basis I am about to request a full history merge. The comment referred to by the nom is
 * For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * Please note that whisking an article you moved to mainspace back to draft is not an appropriate way of avoiding a deletion process. The appropriate thing s to improve the article so that it will survive
 * placed on the draft. The fact that this has been whacked back and forth between Draft and Main space so often means that we should not close this as returning it to draft. It should stand or fall on its merits Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 08:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I have repaired the copy-and-paste move. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete for failure to establish notability, lack of reliable sources. Doczilla  @SUPERHEROLOGIST 19:33, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Unreliable sources --Gazeteci 1980 Tr (talk) 10:08, 8 December 2021 (UTC)


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