Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muhammad Madani Miya Ashrafi al-Jilani


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:41, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Muhammad Madani Miya Ashrafi al-Jilani

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Disclosure: The article is much shorter now after I removed content that was either unsourced or supported by sources which didn't verify the content. After performing WP:BEFORE twice, all I can come up with are two official websites for the subject, one poorly designed html site for a foundation he is tied to, and a whole lot of blog posts written in poor English along with some youtube videos of some speeches. The subject appears to fail WP:GNG at the most basic level. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:50, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:57, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:57, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment According to this source: "He is without doubt the most eminent sufi scholar and one of the leading authorities of Islam today." Some PR but still suggests there might be something here more. He writes in Urdu so most sourcing is probably going to be in Urdu. See WP:SYSTEMIC and WP:INDAFD for issues on sourcing, Islamic Scholars are pretty difficult, even the highly notable ones. Not only a language and sourcing barrier but religious and cultural in how to determine the degree of notability. Do we do more damage by deleting vs letting be until someone with access to find sources. There does seem to be video and blog evidence this is an important figure. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 15:58, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem with that source is that it's his official website; they are free to claim whatever they want about the figure, which seems to create an issue with WP:SELFSOURCE. Regarding the videos and blogs, it's all self published and anyone can try to create online buzz. While it's theoretically possible someone could come along with previously unfound sources, the fact that this article was created by User:Shabiha - a now indefinitely blocked sockpuppet used by a career sockpuppeteer for six years to create numerous articles on non-notable subjects (most of which have been deleted) causes me to doubt that. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:25, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't look that it was his website. Agree with your assessment. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 15:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete unless any new sources show up. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 20:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
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