Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari


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The result was   delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:55, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari

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Very poorly sourced. Many refs are dead-links and those that remain are mostly the York University own Newspaper and re-quotes of these reports by other groups and blogs. Nothing from a substantial source.  Velella  Velella Talk 20:14, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * keep the dead links are due to a not being archived, otherwise is fine Pass a Method   talk  18:41, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete The "references" here are a joke. iPlayer episodes, multiple links to the main page of the Yorker (as mentioned), and multiple self-published non-reliable websites such as Turath and Whitethreadpress. The only reliable sources simply mention that the subject exists, he studied at a college and the Yorker article says he once caused controversy. Fails WP:GNG because the coverage is not extensive; WP:PEOPLE because of the only three sources which are actually reliable two give passing mentions and one is a short piece about the controversy; and WP:SCHOLAR because this supposed Islamic "scholar" has received no prestigious awards, significant discoveries nor does he pass any of the criteria at WP:NACADEMICS. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:22, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm not overly familiar with the conditions needed for an individual to be considered a scholar. It is worth noting however, that Kawthari has completed the Dars-i Nizami course at Darul Uloom Bury. This is a fairly detailed curriculum used in the sub continent to determine whether an individual is authorised to be a scholar. Please read "From Behind the Curtain: A Study of Girls' Madrasa in India" by Mareike Jule Winkelmann for further details. Additionally, a number of independent sources have referred to Kawthari as a scholar. For example, please read the article "'The frontier is where the Jews live': a Case of Israeli 'Democratic Colonialism'" by Nicola Perugini (https://www.academia.edu/5344153/The_frontier_is_where_the_Jews_live_a_Case_of_Israeli_Democratic_Colonialism) where Kawthari is referred to as a Mufti. He is also referred to as a scholar here (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=HT8CAqlycW0C&pg=PA41&dq=Ibn+Adam+al-Kawthari&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5ADlUq3aC63J0AWFlYGIBA&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Ibn%20Adam%20al-Kawthari&f=false) and here (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=39pZYTUv-jMC&pg=PA306&dq=Ibn+Adam+al-Kawthari&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5ADlUq3aC63J0AWFlYGIBA&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Ibn%20Adam%20al-Kawthari&f=false). Is this not sufficient in justifying that Kawthari should be considered an Islamic scholar? The article as it stands requires a fair amount of work. However, I don't think we should be too hasty in deleting it.RookTaker (talk) 12:42, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It's really proper to become familiar with the conditions for an individual to be considered notable, not be a scholar. Since you're new, I would recommend reading Notability and Notability (academics). Being an Islamic scholar isn't the issue here because being an Islamic scholar doesn't make one notable; the criteria here is about the significance of coverage. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Self promotion, the refs are all dead or unreliable. Szzuk (talk) 21:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:BLP1E. Nothing else there. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:18, 29 January 2014 (UTC).
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