Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muj (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus with leave to speedy renominate. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Muj (band)

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 * Delete – Subject fails to meet WP:MUSICBIO. There is no notable coverage; a Google search brings up Japanese soft porn. No mention of any records released on any labels (big or small). Their only claim to fame is being a runner up in "Music Universe Contest" which is basically an audition whose only sources are from Facebook and Myspace. — Fly by Night  (  talk  )  21:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think this article should be kept because I think the band is legitimate and noteable. The band is currently in the process of signing with Sony, making their "press package" right now. The band has been a semi-finalist in a legitimate contest from MTV and have also got great reviews for their debut album. The point that doing a google search for "muj" takes you to japanese soft porn is valid but thats just an unfortunate thing for the band. If you search for "muj band", you'll find the proper links. It'll be a shame if this page gets deleted because a lot of time was spent in making it with correct and valid information - Arbhatia (talk) 23:02, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's natural that, as the articles creator, you would say that. Could you please tell us how this band meets our WP:MUSICBIO criteria? If they do then you should be able to verify your claims with reliable sources. However, I don't thing you will be able to. In my nomination I explained how this band fails almost all of the criteria set forth in WP:MUSICBIO. Please read WP:MUSICBIO very carefully. — Fly by Night  (  talk  )  01:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - You state that the band fails almost all of the criteria in WP:MUSICBIO. Remember that it only needs to meet ONE of those 12 criteria to be considered notable, and almost all is not  all . So tell us which one it passes, please. .  Fish  Barking?  10:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I said that I demonstrated that they failed almost all. That does not it only fails most of them. If in fact fails them all! Find a criterion that it passes and post a source here. — Fly by Night  (  talk  )  16:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe that an article is notable when the band got exposure on an MTV event which is already referenced in the page. It's not a facebook/myspace event. They won the "Clash of the artists" event from Art for progress organization, which again is not a Facebook/Myspace event. Their album has been reviewed by a number of people unrelated to the band and are noteable. http://www.prlog.org/10802680-muj-makes-their-mercury-lounge-debut.html is a press release. They have been signed by Sony and are currently working on what is called a "press package". Too bad that there is no link for that right now but there still is enough coverage for the band on the internet which is non-facebook/myspace. There are credible sources already linked and already reviewed by someone from wikipedia, before being made live. Apparently there is inconsistency between whoever is reviewing the page. To one person its good, to other its not. So I am just looking for a consistency here. I've spent a lot of time in making this and its all credible, but in the end it turns out to how the other person interprets it...... - Arbhatia (talk) 03:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, if the issue is credibility, Sony might soon have a press release for Muj as soon as their "press package" is done. Can't the wiki page be kept in existence till then? - Arbhatia (talk) 03:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arbhatia (talk • contribs) 02:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It appears that you have ignored my request to read WP:MUSICBIO. The reference you link to says that their album doesn't come out until the end of next month. Even if the album was already released, they would need two albums on a major label to meet WP:MUSICBIO. Being runner up in a competition (which when you Google you only get Facebook and Myspace hits) does not pass WP:MUSICBIO either; you need things like Grammies. I agree that different people like different music. That is why over many years Wikipedia's guidelines have been written. Year after year of discussion and consensus has been refined, and the final product is -- you guessed it -- WP:MUSICBIO. — Fly by Night  (  talk  )  03:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't ignore your request to read the given article. Infact, I started the article wizard ONLY after I read that article. In my point of view, the MTV competition(which is NOT just a facebook/myspace thing, here is a link from mtv.com http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1638459/bingtones-win-mtv-uplaya-talent-search.jhtml, they are this year's talent search winners) easily qualifies for either 1st or 9th point. To prove or solidify my point, the person who previously reviewed the article found the mtv reference to be a valid one(you can find the person on IRC by the name "barkingfish"). I believe I have made my point. I believe it fits the guidelines, and reviewer did too. I guess its just the point of view that matters here... - Arbhatia (talk) 14:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * So you'll be able to list some reliable sources to verify that it meets WP:MUSICBIO. That link you gave doesn't even mention the band's name! Until you produce real evidence I have nothing more to say to you. — Fly by Night  (  talk  )  16:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The MTV link that I gave you in previous post proves that the event is NOT an Myspace/Facebook event, its a proper MTV event. Another link which exists on the wiki page(http://uplaya.com/contests/mtv) takes you to the page of that same event and shows the Band's name in the list of semi-finalists("Elastic by Muj" on the 3rd page). I believe this passes both 1st and 9th criteria from WP:MUSICBIO. Please mention why its not a valid, legit and reliable source. Hope that's credible enough. Thanks - Arbhatia (talk) 17:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You seem to misunderstand "multiple" and "non-trivial". A single source is not "multiple sources", and being mentioned in passing is not "non-trivial coverage". Criterion 1 wants several publications on the band itself, not just mentioning them in passing. I agree it's a close run thing with Criterion 9, but I doubt a talent contest is a major music competition. Anyway, I've wasted enough time on this page. I'll leave it to the closing admin to decide. All the best. — Fly by Night  (  talk  )  17:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I just added a couple of links which should further establish that the page is in accordance with WP:MUSICBIO. First link http://www.aksam.com.tr/hande,-x-ve-y-2631y.html shows a turkish magazine reviewing Muj's work(Should further solidify the 1st criteria for WP:MUSICBIO). Second link http://uplaya.com/artists/muj/info#upk-press describes Muj not just in "passing" but as in whole. I really hope this is good enough for the voting community and the admin to decide not to delete the wiki page which is really meeting all the guidelines...... - Arbhatia (talk) 20:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 00:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 20:09, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 02:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.