Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mulatto Jack


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The result was redirect to Coromantee. It's up to editors whether there are enough sources for a mention of this person in this or another article, but we seem to have consensus that there's not enough sourcing for an article.  Sandstein  14:07, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Mulatto Jack

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Non-notable historical person. Most of the article consists of un-cited general statements about Black Irish people in general, or the Klass plot in general. No one named "Mulatto Jack" is even mentioned in the sources cited in the "references" section, and the quotation in the section titled "Jack's fate" appears to be the full extent of the historical record of this person. This falls far short of what would be required for notability. Fyddlestix (talk) 22:38, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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 * Weak delete or possibly redirect to Coromantee. Gaspar does talk about him, perhaps not in the sources cited but multiple times in Gaspar, David Barry. Bondmen and rebels: A study of master-slave relations in Antigua. Duke University Press, 1993. If/when an article is written about the 1736 Antiqua slave rebellion, that would be the sensible direction for a redirect to point. However, other Mulatto Jack's exist, google books gives a number of references to a child of the Custis family (in-laws to the first US president), so I don't know if a redirect makes sense given that as a search term, either individual could be meant, and redirecting could confuse the reader more. Smmurphy(Talk) 23:03, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - How did you come across this article, Fyddlestix? Alfie Gandon (talk) 11:00, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - Jack is indeed mentioned in the sources, Fyddlestix '20. iii. Antigua, 30 December 1736. ... A person called Mulatto Jack was brought before us as a criminal slave concerned in the plot: but he alleged that he was free born in Ireland and stolen thence and sold here as a slave. We think he proved his allegation, and we submit it to the legislature whether this mitigates his crime." Certainly the article could be improved, but given the nature of Wikipedia I was hoping that someone could do just that, or indeed add more information about Jack, should it exist. As for "Non-notable", he does appear to be the first Afro-Irish person known by name, and that was the basis of my creating the article. Fergananim (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Have you got a source that says that? That probably would make him notable, but we'd need to see published RS that actually say that. Otherwise it's original research.
 * I did see the source you linked, it appears to be a single passing mention and thus does not impart notability - per WP:GNG and WP:NBIO, that requires significant and in-depth coverage in non-primary RS. This is a WP:PRIMARY source, after all, and those 2 sentences seem to be pretty much the full extent of what we know about him. The book linked by smmurphy above just refers to the same document, and includes Jack in a couple other lists of names (again, passing mentions only). So sure, he was tried as a member of the plot and there is a mention of him in that context, but he does not appear to have any particular notability beyond that. This is nowhere near enough coverage in RS to make him notable. Fyddlestix (talk) 14:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * How did you come across this article? Alfie Gandon (talk) 14:12, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per arguments above. Apollo The Logician (talk) 14:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


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