Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mullah Rahmatullah


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 03:34, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Mullah Rahmatullah

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WP:BLP based solely on primary sources, and with a very unclear subject. Half the page seems to deal with Rahmatullah, a Guantanamo detainee, while the other half seems to be about a possibly separate commander of the same name. Fails WP:BIO and WP:BLP. Fram (talk) 15:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete A1, not enough information to identify the subject of the article. --Pontificalibus (talk) 16:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Guantanamo Bay detainment camp-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 19:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- -- Cirt (talk) 20:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: the article has now been rewritten, and contains nothing of the original text or information, and doesn't seem to be about the same person(s) anymore. Whether the current article, based on one longer and a few very short mentions of Mullah Rahmatullah in both reliable and unreliable sources, is about one person or different persons, is completely unclear (one operated out of Pakistan, one was captured in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and one was killed in combat half a year later. Whether the one captured was ever released is not known, but considering that "Rahmatullah was responsible for kidnappings of influential elders in the province, extortion, "guerrilla attacks and some other terror activities" (according to the source about the capture), it would seem strange that that same man was free six months later... So basically we have an all-new article which happens to have the same title, and which has brand-new problems, i.e. the lack of any confirmation that the three facts (the leader of a small group operating out of Pakistan, the one captured in Afghanistan, and the one killed in Afghanistan) are one, two or three persons. Such WP:OR on (for two of the three) possible living persons should be deleted. Fram (talk) 08:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly, in source 1 he is alive, and in source 4 he is dead. Here we have some random guy taken prisoner claiming to be Mullah Rahmatullah. Is he the Mullah Rahmatullah or a different one? We don't know. If we don't even know who we are talking about there is a serious WP:BLP issue here. This is like writing an article entitiled "Sargent Johnson" who was a black man and a woman. --Pontificalibus (talk) 10:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

"In Wikipedia, things are grouped into articles based on what they are, not what they are called by."
 * Delete - It's unclear if this is all the same person. It might be fit for an encyclopedia article if it is the same person, but it might not be. we shouldn't cover multiple things in one page just because they share a name.

- Wikipedia is not a dictionary

NotARealWord (talk) 18:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * WRT to whether he is dead or alive -- Abdullah Mehsud was reported to have been killed three times. When WP:RS differ over whether an individual has been killed, or when they were killed, neutral reporting of what the WP:RS say is in order.  I suggest it is not our role to try to interpret which of the conflicting RS is correct.  Geo Swan (talk) 15:27, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * WRT rewriten from scratch -- I added new material, which is I believe completely compliant with our deletion policy. In this edit User:Iqinn removed all the old material, with the edit summary "remove the information that is solely based on the interpretation of primary sources in violation of WP:OR."  I've requested input at the OR noticeboard on several occasions, over similar edits User:Iqinn has made that they justified with claims of WP:OR. Those who weighed in have not supported User:Iqinn's interpretation of OR.  Geo Swan (talk) 16:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * WRT whether there were multiple individuals named "Mullah Rahmatullah" -- It is possible that the Taliban had multiple leaders named Rahmatullah. In other afd challengers asked for more references after I had created multiple articles when I thought multiple references referred to multiple individuals.  Challengers there expressed a challenge 180 degrees opposed to those voiced here.  Challengers there thought I needed further references to support that all the multiple references weren't pointing to a single individual.  Here, in this afd, I am being asked for further references to substantiate that multiple references are all to the same individual.  Geo Swan (talk) 16:55, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Can we find any coverage about Mullah Rahmatullah(s) other than single sentences claiming he is a Taliban leader? Is there any significant coverage? --Pontificalibus (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Question - What does WRT actually mean? NotARealWord (talk) 20:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not a wiki-ism: --Pontificalibus  (talk) 09:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess that's why WP:WRT is a red link. NotARealWord (talk) 14:44, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment- Now it seems that the article goes "there are multiple cases of some individuals called Mullah Rahmatullah, for some reason, all o them have some relation to the Taliban". Not really much of a subject unless they are the same person, or a bunch of people pretending to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NotARealWord (talk • contribs) 14:44, 20 December 2010, (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  —Anotherclown (talk) 12:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - according to the article the subject commanded ten men and therefore fails the notability guidelines in WP:MILMOS/N (which only affords notability to commanders if they "held the top-level military command position of their nation's armed forces" or "commanded a notable body of troops in combat.") AFAIK Rahmatullah did neither. Anotherclown (talk) 11:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.