Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Multiplayer games for Playstation 2


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Keep. Avi 18:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Multiplayer games for Playstation 2
WP:NOT; Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and lists of multiplayer-capable games seem to be just that. RidG Talk/Contributions 02:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Note to Ben414 - Please do not blank the text you are responding to. It makes it near impossible to track the conversation. Likewise, please refrain from blanking the header, as this screws up the format of the Deletion page. RidG Talk/Contributions 02:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Similarly Listed This list only promotes games for use in couple's play, or a party. I have found no known list of this type, and thus am now creating it.  I am not good at the wiki formatting, however this artle need to exist.  This article has as much right to exist as this, this, and this. --Ben414 14:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the fact that this list exists nowhere else on the net is more an argument against keeping it than for it. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia and not a place to store new information. RidG Talk/Contributions 03:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

A list of multiplayer games for playstation 2 organized by number of players is not indecriminate. They have to fit into a category, which in this case is number of players. Nowhere else on the net does this list exist, and I would hope that wikipedia would realize its importance. Furthmore, why was this even suggested as being marked for deletion as according to this, no mention of this category type is mentioned. --Ben414 14:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * PointAs you can see I did not start the listing sections, but rather am trying to add to them.


 * Keep With expansion, this article could be just as worthy as any other list.  I also happen to think it will expand, given the involvement of gamers on Wikipedia.  The list also serves a useful enough purpose, and it is for a notable entity. AdamBiswanger1 03:08, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment User:RidG I appreciate the fact that you are trying to keep wikipedia pure, but don't let your own biases keep this unique, and desperately needed article from existing.  Also information is always evolving and expanding, so trying to keep information a certain size is impossible.  Wikipedia needs to grow, and if a missing article exists, it needs to be created.
 * Ben - I don't know if I agree with your allegation of "bias," and I certainly don't agree with your statement that this is a "desperately needed article." We'll agree to disagree on this. RidG Talk/Contributions 03:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep I don't think this list is an indiscriminate list of info- it's a very specific list, one with a finite number of entries, each of which sharing an important quality (unlike "List of songs with the word 'song' in the title, or something like that, in which the shared quality is highly trivial). I think this list is quite useful- moreso than the vast majority of lists on WP. Obviously, the list has to be highly expanded (including placing the "expand" tag on the article), but it could easily become an excellent list. -- Kicking222 03:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment If there were categories Category: 2-player multiplayer games, we could just go with that instead. AdamBiswanger1 03:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but this is attempting to serve as a list for play on the same PS2, as opposed to online networking; in addition, instead of adding categories for 2-, 4-, 8-, x-player games, I like the idea of having them all in one place. Perhaps the article should be moved to a title that is more appropriate. -- Kicking222 03:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks everyone. I knew I wasn't crazy in wanting such a list.  As I discovered from alot of gaming stores, no one knows what the offering is...it needs to exist, something wikipedia is known for!!--Ben414 03:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't say 100% that this list needs to exist, but I think it should. I've added a few titles, and if I can think of some more, I'll throw them on the list. -- Kicking222 03:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, needs is strong, but as I've said before, nowhere else does this exist. Is there a better category...I was focusing on the concept of gaming as a group, i.e. more than just the 2 player types, but they are essentially also included.--Ben414 03:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep - There's nothing indiscriminant about it. savidan(talk) (e@) 03:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as a list but rename List of multiplayer PlayStation 2 games; too long to merge into the universal, alphabetic List of PlayStation 2 games. Melchoir 03:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I still think that it would be much easier to simply create a category like "Playstation 2 games for 1-x players". Does anyone object to this?  I mean, I think this choice is screaming at us AdamBiswanger1 04:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that categories are easier, because they have to be populated. Anyway, they don't obsolete lists. Melchoir 04:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Not that I have a problem with categories either; Category:PlayStation 2 games could use to be broken up. Melchoir 04:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I like Melchoir's suggestion, or List of Playstation 2 games for 2 or more players. Including one player would be redundant... you need at least one person playing, otherwise it's a movie.--Ben414 04:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Well whatever you guys decide, since it's unanymous that the article should stay. Just Pick a decent name for it, and add, add, add....make this Baby grow.--Ben414 04:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename to List of multiplayer PlayStation 2 games. I've also wikified the page slightly. --ais523 11:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you Ais523, and all who have stood up for this article.--Ben414 14:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - While a legitimate list, I can't see it having any practical value. Almost all video games have some sort of multiplayer mode, thus making this almost a list of all PS2 games, which would be redundant.  Wickethewok 14:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and Move to List of Multiplayer PlayStation 2 games or something along those lines. This does have useful information like number of players supported, so it would lose something as a category. Ace of Sevens 00:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete WP:CSD No content whatsoever. Any article consisting only of links elsewhere (including hyperlinks, category tags and "see also" sections), a rephrasing of the title, and/or attempts to correspond with the person or group named by its title. Ste4k 02:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete It would be more remarkable if you could populate it with a list of the games that didn't have an option for multiplay mode. No conceivable use. GassyGuy 03:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep This list is more detailed than the article for the list of ps2 network games, and I doubt will ever get as long as the generic list of PS2 games which is not contested.

This is a list that may not apply to those who contest it, but those who do like having gaming get-togethers would find this list extremely useful. It is more useful in that the users know immediately that these games would be beneficial for them.

As stated again, and again, wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and it needs to grow, and be home to items that are organized in a useful way. The alternative is aimlessly reading the descriptions of all ps2 games from wiki, which only states one player, or multiplayer. Multiplayer is as much a number as over is a direction; vague at best.

I will say this: If this specialized, wikipedia list is marked for deletion, then delete them all, if not, kill all the bias against it.--Ben414 05:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not biased against it, but it just doesn't strike me as at all necessary or of particular use. I highly doubt that others who expressed views of deleting it are doing so because of bias either. Please consult WP:AGF. To the list's credit, it's certainly better organized than this mess of a discussion. GassyGuy 05:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If you ever wanted to know what games were for x number of players, you would see the use of this. Look at it from that perspective, and you'll understand the importance, and place this article has.--Ben414 14:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Everyone is rallying behind killing this list off, while the longer lists similar to this remain unmolested. Over and over users say this list is very organized, more so than others, and yet it's on the chopping block. -- Ben414 05:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is of no importance, and could even give way to Wikipedia:Advertising. Black-Velvet  07:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * What advertising?? This article is as much advertising, as the facts relating to any other game article on this site.  All this does is tell people these games are more than solitary.  The extent of this article's 'advertising' is it link to the selected game's article, and helps determine whether that type of game is desired or not.  I don't know about anyone else, but that's a guideline I use to determine if I should get a game or not.  This just organizes the games by number of players from 2 up.  Why all the drama about this article anyway?? --Ben414 14:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Any article about a consumer product on here has the potential to be called advertising, as they state the pros and cons the the product. The readers themselves decide based on their opinion whether to seek out the product or not. Advertising would link to a store, or commercial website, and a list is as neutral as it could be.--Ben414 14:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep - unless someone will be able to show a violation of List guideline.--Pokipsy76 14:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And that is the best point right there. There is no violation, so the reasoning for adding this to begin with, I don't understand.  This list is a tool. Anyone looking to play a game with a frined, or significant other, as well as use their multitap (or generic alternative) can use this list to shape what they rent or buy at a gance, instead of reading the backs of every single game in the store, or rental store.--Ben414 14:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. SevereTireDamage 07:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.