Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mumble rap


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:12, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Mumble rap

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It's a term more so than an actual genre, a term more often than not used to slander the performer by critics. It is also impossible to define and highly subjective. Merge genre-specific information into the articles cloud rap, emo rap, trap music (hip hop) & lo-fi music which are the actual genres. Either Redirect mumble rap to hip-hop and merge relevant information into that article or rewrite this article to be about the term and the usage of it rather than the "genre" that is undefinable. Doradafan (talk) 18:45, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:02, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Not a fan of the seemingly endless sub-categorisation of rap however a basic google search throws up several articles in RS on this subject:, , . Article is properly structured and referenced. Sadly, "mumble rap" is here. Britishfinance (talk) 15:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 21:58, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Well structured and references which is meets WP:NMUSIC, but consider a slight twink would help. Sheldybett (talk) 23:45, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - article certainly passes WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC, I have some sympathy for the nominator as this article is in need of trimming and restructuring. In the end however mumble rap is one of the more covered sub-genres of rap music currently so deletion or merge would be the wrong course of action. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 05:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note - Being bold so I deleted the list of "mumble rappers" from the article. Who's supposed to be a judge of who is a mumble rapper? Is everyone a mumble rapper as long as one independent source says so? If that's the case we might as well categorize Metallica as pop or Frank Sinatra as indie-pop. It's such a loosely defined term, and pretty much no artist would ever define themselves as a mumble rapper. Doradafan (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Its based on reliable source coverage, like every other list of artists on Wikipedia, and people can always discuss on the talk page if they'd like them removed and reach a consensus. Issan Sumisu (talk) 07:31, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Mumble rap is a vague term of disparagement used to describe people varying from Young Thug to 6ix9ine. Lifestyle and Kooda for example are two different songs easily described as mumble rap that are clearly quite different genres. However, even though "mumble rap" is debateably an actual genre, it is an extremely notable term used significantly to describe songs and rappers. For that reason it should be kept with significant changes. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 22:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. It is notable and is the main term known for the musical movement that started in the 2010s. -- Flooded w/ them 100s  08:16, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG per reliable sources in 's comment. Whether any particular artist or musical work should be classified under the genre is up for debate, but that consideration makes no difference to the notability of the mumble rap genre. —  Newslinger  talk   14:05, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'm unconvinced by your reasons for wanting deletion. Though I do agree the article should be written a bit better.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.