Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Munawar Faruqui (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Additionally, discussion about a potential page move to Arrest of Munawar Faruqui or Arrests of Munawar Faruqui can continue on the article's talk page, if desired. North America1000 15:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Munawar Faruqui
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In February this year Articles for deletion/Munawar Faruqui was closed as delete, mostly on the basis of WP:1E arguments. The article was recreated on 4 June by AppuSunkad and nominated for speedy deletion under criterion G4 by Praxidicae the same day. I became aware of it via related RfD nominations (see below), assessed that the article had not addressed any of the arguments for deletion - none of the content was about any event post February 2021 and the only reference that did was being used to verify only a discography entry from 2020. While the article does include more references than previously, the concern was not verifiability but notability and this was not addressed. Having made the determination that it was sufficiently identical I executed the speedy deletion but Vanamonde93 contested that on my talk page. A good faith objection that a page meets a speedy deletion criterion automatically means it doesn't (absent legal issues or private evidence, and I'm not aware of either in this case) so I've restored the article and brought it here. For clarity, this is not just a procedural nomination, I am advocating for deletion as I do not believe the subject is notable.

The relevant RfD nominations are for Faruqui and Munawar - Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 4 and Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 4. I'll be restoring the redirects after completing this AfD nomination but wont be reopening the RfDs as they will be deleted (WP:CSD) if this is closed as delete, should probably remain if the outcome here is keep and will need a different discussion if consensus is to merge or redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 20:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * Somewhat hesitant keep. Sure, most of his press coverage is about his arrest, but when the event in question doesn't have an article, BLP1E isn't really an argument to delete so much as an argument to reframe the article as one about the event. The event in question received international press coverage, , , and , and some of it came substantially after the arrest itself; . A good many sources provide biographical coverage, too; see this for instance; yes, I know it's an interview, but the blurb that precedes the interview is substantive. A reasonable case could be made for retitling the article as an alternative to a short biography, but I don't see how all this coverage can be dismissed entirely. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Rapid or near-as-damnit rapid recreations of AfD'd articles always get my Spidey sense tingling. I agree that deletion criteria have been met. doktorb wordsdeeds 21:57, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename the page to Arrest of Munawar Faruqui. This is better than a delete seeing that the arrest is what makes the subject prominent. All the sources point in that direction. VV 04:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I believe this person on whom the article has been made is notable or he became notable after the incident. The standup comedians from whole Asia and even from America has raised questions against his arrest, stating the violation of freedom of speech. Moreover he is a youtuber with more than 1 million subscribers and with more than 50k subscribers in his alternate vlogging channel. Jogesh 69 (talk) 05:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect as per VV. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 12:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: It is not clear if there is a notable topic here or not. If there is a notable topic it's not clear if that topic is Faruqui or the events around his arrest. Hopefully further discussion will arrive at a consensus on these issues.
 * Keep He had a major role in a significant, well documented event, so 2nd para of WP:1E applies here which states that If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate. The assassins of major political leaders, such as Gavrilo Princip, fit into this category, as indicated by the large coverage of the event in reliable sources that devotes significant attention to the individual's role. & para 4 of WP:1E doesn't apply here(as this was not a minor event), so Redirect is no good option as well. He is also quite notable as per 1st point (for victim) of WP:CRIME. As an entertainer, he also qualify 2P of WP:ENTERTAINER as he has very large fan base (1.11M on main YT channel, 50k on alt YT channel). Noteworthy to say that He is still getting coverage from media, here's the 6 days old article about him from The Hindu,(mostly discusses Munawar Faruqui in particular). (Also note that if there's a quite large english language coverage about him, then there must be more bigger coverage in Hindi press & local indian languages press.) Abdulhaseebatd (talk) 13:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per the last AFD. This is nothing more than 1E puffery. BEACHIDICAE🌊  20:07, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Seems like a WP:1E to me; only notable for his arrest. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:1E.4meter4 (talk) 20:03, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Vanamonde's reasoning. We certainly could rename and restructure the article so it was about the incident, but notability is clearly established and we don't have an event article, as such WP:BLP1E doesn't support deletion, it just supports...changing. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:38, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per 1E. -Indy beetle (talk) 03:11, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Vanamonde. In addition, one should probably note that the subject was arrested on two separate occasions, once in 2020 and once more recently. The recent arrest has received lasting coverage while the earlier arrest still received some coverage at the time, so I don't think it's possible to apply 1E here. Renaming and reframing the article as an event might be more appropriate. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 06:50, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, I think that this is more than just WP:1E. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep As there is not just one arrest and the most recent one has received a good deal of coverage.Jackattack1597 (talk) 11:40, 25 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.