Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Charles Ubriaco


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Mafia–Camorra War. v/r - TP 22:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Murder of Charles Ubriaco
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Ubriaco does not pass WP:CRIME. Vic49 (talk)  20:37, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Vic49  (talk)  20:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Vic49  (talk)  20:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:N/CA and move to Murder of Charles Ubriaco. . (I am now cinvinced that a Redirect is the best solution). Half a dozen books available online covering the early history of organized crime in the U.S. discuss this murder that took place 95 years ago.  The New York Times discussed it at the time. A notable crime.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  05:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've boldly moved the article.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:08, 15 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Ubriaco fails WP:CRIME and his murder fails WP:EVENT. The murder is already dealt with in Morello Crime Family and Mafia–Camorra War. There is no need to have a minor event listed three times on Wikipedia. - DonCalo (talk) 07:18, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Perhaps, but here's the 1916 story in the New York Times, and this shows that paper covered the aftermath of the murder for 10 years.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  07:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The murder only makes sense in the context of the broader Mafia–Camorra War. In other words an article on the murder of Ubriaco would basically repeat what has been written in that article. Such a repeat does not seem to be necessary, imho. - DonCalo (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:CRIME, minor criminal. --Cox wasan (talk) 08:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Rcsprinter  (message)  10:09, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I suggest to either delete or redirect this article to Mafia–Camorra War. - DonCalo (talk) 20:54, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * My vote is still delete --Vic49 (talk)  13:23, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect Charles Ubriaco to Mafia–Camorra War and delete Murder of Charles Ubriaco. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:47, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - I agree with Cullen, WP:N/CA applies here, has been covered in books/media. Also the move of the article name makes it now about the murder itself and not the biography.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:N/CA does not apply here, the murder is already covered in Mafia–Camorra War and the article does not mention anything noteworthy beyond the murder. - DonCalo (talk) 15:49, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If you still agree with Cullen, that would mean a redirect to Mafia–Camorra War. - DonCalo (talk) 22:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete/redirect. From WP:EVENT (of which WP:N/CA is a part): "In evaluating an event, editors should evaluate various aspects of the event and the coverage: the impact, depth, duration, geographical scope, diversity and reliability of the coverage, as well whether the coverage is routine." This is a clear fail on those counts. --Mkativerata (talk) 18:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect Charles Ubriaco to Mafia–Camorra War and delete Murder of Charles Ubriaco. Bushranger proposes the best solution IMO.  The murder is notable within the context of the war, but not otherwise.-- Kubigula (talk) 14:53, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ubriaco is not really noteworthy, his murder is, so I would suggest to redirect the current murder article to Mafia–Camorra War is best. - DonCalo (talk) 22:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.