Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Muhammad Naufal Zidan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Nomination withdrawn. Liz Read! Talk! 04:12, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Murder of Muhammad Naufal Zidan

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A single criminal case of murder, a short-term hot issue. Fumikas Sagisavas (talk) 07:34, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Crime,  and Indonesia. Fumikas Sagisavas (talk) 07:34, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Draftify this is WP:TOOSOON. Since it's well-sourced (a bit rambling/overdetailed), just as a matter of economy of effort I suggest it be put into draft. It's getting a lot of coverage right now, and if it becomes a source of long-term notability it can be improved and moved into mainspace. Oblivy (talk) 08:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: This article has had 16 edits since this nomination by the article's creator (some of which added possibly reliable sources), and WP:BEFORE recommends considering waiting for new articles to be fleshed out before nominating. Closhund  /talk/  08:30, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Between WP:BEFORE and WP:TOOSOON I think I'd lean on the latter. The question right now isn't one of notability - this is getting tons of coverage - but sustained notability. Events like this sometimes make a big noise for a few days, and then no long-term impact. Oblivy (talk) 08:35, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thanks. Closhund  /talk/  08:42, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Concern this article was nominated for deletion less than an hour after it was started. There was no discussion at Talk:Murder of Muhammad Naufal Zidan. There was no prior attempt to engage with the article's creator at User talk:Asphonixm. There were no templated concerns added to the article.
 * Whatever the issues with this article, this process seems all wrong.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 18:03, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @A. B. I agree to some extent, but what's a better way to handle these local current events articles? While shocking, and newsworthy today, there's no guarantee this story will be notable in a week or two. On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be a lot of harm in keeping it up and discussing on the talk page.
 * I thought draftify was a good solution. Is that too harsh? What's the harm?
 * Note that on reflection, I'm not sure WP:TOOSOON is quite right. Probably WP:NOTNEWS is better. Oblivy (talk) 04:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oblivy, at this point, I don't have an opinion about what to do with the article. My point has to do with:
 * Giving the author time to get something done
 * Communicating using the talk page
 * Basic respect for another editor
 * So I don't agree or disagree with your approach. I'm just calling out what I think is an improper, impatient rush to AfD.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 04:30, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed on the nomination being premature. Unfortunately unless withdrawn an AfD is almost unstoppable. But I'll take a lesson from your comments and try to raise the talk page point if a case like this arises in the future. Oblivy (talk) 04:38, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Comment I revoked my draftify vote to remove any barrier to closing this discussion. This article may someday need another look, but for now it's well sourced and I see no issue leaving it up.Oblivy (talk) 09:13, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Withdraw: I agree with the Wikipedians mentioned above, we need to pay attention to the follow-up development of a single incident, and it is too early to nominate for deletion. --Fumikas Sagisavas (talk) 08:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Withdraw as premature per all of the above.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 13:10, 8 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.