Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Nicole Sauvain-Weisskopf


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  10:33, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Murder of Nicole Sauvain-Weisskopf

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No evidence of lasting notability for this murder. No legislation came out of it, nor any indication it will. Star  Mississippi  14:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle (talk • contribs) 20:35, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Star   Mississippi  14:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  Star   Mississippi  14:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions.  Star   Mississippi  14:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NCRIME. The event has been covered by multiple sources and is not just a routine crime (after all, it is a murder). It has also gained significant coverage from multiple reliable sources, including the BBC, AP News, and the Bangkok Post. Also, notability is not temporary. Once an event has gained significant coverage, it is notable. 2601:647:5800:1A1F:A1C1:3A98:A9E5:AD32 (talk) 20:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Not a strong article at present but meets WP:GNG and WP:NCRIME. Therefore, I put aside my prejudice to delete this crappily written article and recommend keep. Regarding the nom, there is no such thing as WP:CRIMEnoLEGISLATION as a policy for deleting crime articles that did not result in new legislation. Charliestalnaker (talk) 08:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENT - my search for sources to help improve this article indicates no WP:LASTING effects, nor "a demonstrable long-term impact on a significant region of the world or a significant widespread societal group". There does not appear to have been WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE, and Events that are only covered in sources published during or immediately after an event, without further analysis or discussion, are likely not suitable for an encyclopedia article. WP:NCRIME refers to these guidelines, which do not appear supported by reliable sources. Beccaynr (talk) 16:34, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Still need consensus of whether WP:NCRIME applies and whether there's a lasting effect. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 09:32, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NCRIME. Per sourcing. Article needs work indeed, but Afd is not a clean up service.BabbaQ (talk) 14:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I am hoping that you (or any participant in this discussion) could more specifically explain which sources, per the guidelines referenced in WP:NCRIME, could improve this article. Is there WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE, with further analysis or discussion, or WP:INDEPTH coverage that puts events into context, or per WP:GEOSCOPE, sources demonstrating a demonstrable long-term impact on a significant region of the world or a significant widespread societal group, or per WP:LASTING, any sources that may include effects on the views and behaviors of society and legislation? Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 14:46, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Analysis of the case's potential impact on tourism in Prachachat Business and BBC Thai. The latter also includes an overview of tourist murders in Thailand. The article has been updated since the start of this AfD with information and a reference on the court verdict in March 2022. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:48, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The BBC Thai article is published on August 6, 2021, (translated: "More than 24 hours have passed since the body was found."), and focuses on the details of the discovery of the body. This is not continued coverage and does not assess lasting or larger impacts. Including an overview of other tourist murders is not WP:INDEPTH per WP:NCRIME, because Media sources sometimes report on events because of their similarity (or contrast, or comparison) to another widely reported incident. Editors should not rely on such sources to afford notability to the new event, since the main purpose of such articles is to highlight either the old event or such types of events generally. The Prachachat Business article is published on August 7, 2021 and is focused on potential impacts on tourism, including if police do not solve the case, but does not demonstrate that there were impacts, also noting (translated) "The current spread of COVID-19 In Thailand with a large number of infected people It is a problem and obstacle that foreign tourists are reluctant to travel to Thailand." Beccaynr (talk) 13:57, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * This definitely covers WP:NCRIME. Sources presented are good. Lasting coverage per sourcing.BabbaQ (talk) 15:40, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


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