Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Shaima Alawadi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 20:38, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Murder of Shaima Alawadi

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Non-notable death; Wikipedia is not the news; LedRush (talk) 15:32, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Undecided :The death is quite recent, and most articles are linking this with the Martin death. Therefore independent notability of this event is questionable.  But, most importantly, WP is not the news.  However, the death is covered in tons of news sources, just not in great detail and not independently.  This one could go either way for me.LedRush (talk) 15:37, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep as creator. While it is too soon to tell and coverage may indeed drop after a while, I suspect that it will prove to be notable and continue to be discussed in both news and, after a while, in scholarly books on sociology of the USA; among other things, if it's prosecuted as a hate crime it will be the first murder of a Muslim woman that's officially a hate crime in the United States. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 15:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * keep - as always with these kinds of AfDs its to early to predict future non-notability.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:52, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Granted it is news, but there is enough news to write an article. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 18:07, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Perhaps rather than delete this story, it should be featured. Then maybe it will be notable.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * delete as per WP:NOTNEWS. we do not create articles in case something is notable in future as argued by keep voters. Every murder creates a spike in media coverage. LibStar (talk) 01:52, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I argue that it is notable now. If it isnt recieving the same attention in a few months time then yes I agree with you an AfD should be done again. But unless someone here as a crystal ball to see into the future with the article should be kept.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:25, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * no, being notable means long term notability as per WP:EVENT. it is in fact too early to predict future notability. You cannot assume media spikes now are notable in future as per WP:CRYSTAL Unless you think every murder, fatal bus crash deserves a WP article. LibStar (talk) 14:44, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I generally have a very strict view of WP:EVENT and !vote to delete most news-y stuff, because (just as you say) a spike of coverage now doesn't indicate lasting notability, but I do think this one will stay notable because of the uncommon circumstances. Attractive white women go missing and rockets hit Israel all the time, and there's always a flurry of coverage that rarely lasts beyond the original case (I mention these types because we have loads of articles on them when they're completely non-notable), but this may be the first of its kind and even if it isn't it's likely to be an example case in sociology studies and such. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 18:34, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * notable in the future, comment I am not !voting on this afd, as I have not done WP:BEFORE, but I would say that "it might be notable in the future" is not a valid keep reason. That type of logic is an open door policy for every article anyone could ever want to make. They all could be notable in the future. Gaijin42 (talk) 14:43, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

This is very notable and should remain!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.3.215.2 (talk) 21:33, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak support for merging to Islamophobic_incidents for now. I don't think there has been any persisting coverage of this event yet. This article can always be re-created if the crime keeps popping up in the media. VR talk  05:37, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:EVENT, all cited sources are from within two days of each other (WP:PERSISTENCE), and it's unclear what the wide geographical scope of this could be. Can be recreated if this is still in the news a few months from now.  Sandstein   08:03, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
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